Keir Starmer

[The Future’s Blue!]

Good to see the Labour Party members/voters in such turmoil and not pulling together, my mate Boris and his pals will be funnelling away you hard earned cash for years to come.

Happy Days!

 

[bluebaja]

They've only gone and expelled Ken Loach!

Maybe Ken Loach is a microcosm of the problem within the Labour party. Heavy on Socialism in principle, speaks fine words and has some good values. Born in Nuneaton, where does he live now ? Bath, that well known hub of socialist values and politics which has been a Labour stronghold since, well, never. If he is so keen on Socialist values why doesn't he move to Liverpool ?

 

[mat]

The Tories have returned to the thread to lecture lefties on how to run the labour party I see.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Maybe Ken Loach is a microcosm of the problem within the Labour party. Heavy on Socialism in principle, speaks fine words and has some good values. Born in Nuneaton, where does he live now ? Bath, that well known hub of socialist values and politics which has been a Labour stronghold since, well, never. If he is so keen on Socialist values why doesn't he move to Liverpool ?

To be a good socialist only bread and dripping will do.

I don't know whether you are aware and I couldn't give a fuck either way, but that post says more about you than you know.

If you choose to reply don't beat yourself up if I don't.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Just what we need Ken Loach on a downer:-)

And I was so looking forward to I, Daniel Blake the musical.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The Tories have returned to the thread to lecture lefties on how to run the labour party I see.

Yep, and their solution is always the same....

 

[Saddleworth2]

Starmer vows to ‘turn Labour inside out’ to win next election

‘We have to turn the Labour party inside out’

www.independent.co.uk

I must embrace Blairism to be a member of the party according to Keith Stalin.


Fuck...Off.

anyone talking of relaunching their leadership is actually admitting failure. I don't know what he stands for and he is doing a shit job of holding the government to account.
He needs to up his game considerably or the country is stuck with these tory bastards for another decade at least.
Btw, genuine question is Blairism worse than Johnson and his 40 thieves?

 

[bluebaja]

To be a good socialist only bread and dripping will do.

I don't know whether you are aware and I couldn't give a fuck either way, but that post says more about you than you know.

If you choose to reply don't beat yourself up if I don't.

You don't have to reply mate, but let me explain myself because I think you may have misinterpreted where I am coming from. Firstly, I would describe myself as a socialist, I have socialist values. I have never voted Tory in my life and never will. My issue is about having a Labour party that is actually electable, which it hasn't been for many years.

Why ? Because the general voting public simply will not accept the strident Socialism that Jeremy Corbin stands for, supported by people like Ken Loach.

The issue I have with this is that on a practical level, in terms of standards of living and standards of local services, having a Tory government does not make a great deal of difference to Ken Loach or Jeremy Corbin. They live in nice areas, in nice houses, and do not rely on the state in the way that millions of other people in this country do. Having a Tory government in power for the next 20 years will not hugely impact on the lives of people like them. So between them (all of them) they are continuing to ensure that the Labour party will never again form a government in our lifetimes (certainly not in mine).

That is my issue. That Ken Loach is a supporter of policies and individuals which are seen by the majority in this country as too far to the left, which will ensure that the Labour party will not get elected, which is ok for him, because it doesn't really affect him.

 

[hilts]

You don't have to reply mate, but let me explain myself because I think you may have misinterpreted where I am coming from. Firstly, I would describe myself as a socialist, I have socialist values. I have never voted Tory in my life and never will. My issue is about having a Labour party that is actually electable, which it hasn't been for many years.

Why ? Because the general voting public simply will not accept the strident Socialism that Jeremy Corbin stands for, supported by people like Ken Loach.

The issue I have with this is that on a practical level, in terms of standards of living and standards of local services, having a Tory government does not make a great deal of difference to Ken Loach or Jeremy Corbin. They live in nice areas, in nice houses, and do not rely on the state in the way that millions of other people in this country do. Having a Tory government in power for the next 20 years will not hugely impact on the lives of people like them. So between them (all of them) they are continuing to ensure that the Labour party will never again form a government in our lifetimes (certainly not in mine).

That is my issue. That Ken Loach is a supporter of policies and individuals which are seen by the majority in this country as too far to the left, which will ensure that the Labour party will not get elected, which is ok for him, because it doesn't really affect him.

You are talking pragmatism over belief which I understand but don’t subscribe to as an individual. I fully understand why people cannot get behind Starmer. The only chance people have to get what they believe to be right is by fighting for it. Keeping quiet to get a slightly less shit government is not something a lot of people can do.

It’s a long standing debate on here. These people in the vast majority will vote Labour anyhow when they get that pencil and ballot paper in front of them.

The only thing that is set in stone is that you don’t have to live in Liverpool to be a socialist, in fact no one should have to live in Liverpool:-)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

anyone talking of relaunching their leadership is actually admitting failure. I don't know what he stands for and he is doing a shit job of holding the government to account.
He needs to up his game considerably or the country is stuck with these tory bastards for another decade at least.
Btw, genuine question is Blairism worse than Johnson and his 40 thieves?

Spot on, it's just tragic that aftewr 10 years we are still facing a least worst rather than best type choice.