Keir Starmer

[urban genie]

Well there is no circumstance (unless the government of the day was in favour of it) where the CPS would start prosecuting intelligence operatives for carrying out extraordinary rendition.

It’s just fanciful to believe otherwise, and I'm not someone who believes that we should have been involved with flying people around for the purpose of torturing them.

Doesn't matter, not my point, it was on the belief his previous job will make people believe he isn't soft on crime.
The point is anytime he speaks on crime or justice, a narrative that he was weak as DPP and in charge of the CPS has already been established from the cranks, right wing and left wing, and is peddled anytime he speaks on the subject.

And then you have Assanges fans who really lay into him as a bent proccescutor

 

[jay_mcfc]

Complete waste of space. I was all up for supporting him and thought he'd have the intelligence to wipe the floor with Boris. Nearly two years on and he's still only interested in fighting the left.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Doesn't matter, not my point, it was on the belief his previous job will make people believe he isn't soft on crime.
The point is anytime he speaks on crime or justice, a narrative that he was weak as DPP and in charge of the CPS has already been established from the cranks, right wing and left wing, and is peddled anytime he speaks on the subject.

And then you have Assanges fans who really lay into him as a bent proccescutor

Difficult to argue convincingly then, nobody other than cranks take cranks seriously.

 

[urban genie]

Difficult to argue convincingly then, nobody other than cranks take cranks seriously.

if only that were true farage would never have been seen after his first interview, and johnson wouldn't be PM

The 00s was the decade of the cranks influences politics

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

if only that were true farage would never have been seen after his first interview, and johnson wouldn't be PM

The 00s was the decade of the cranks influences politics

Well to be fair I wouldn't class them as Cranks, more accurate to call them Charlatans.

When you said cranks I thought we were more in the realm of flat earthers, Tommy fans and gender critical crusaders.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Complete waste of space. I was all up for supporting him and thought he'd have the intelligence to wipe the floor with Boris. Nearly two years on and he's still only interested in fighting the left.

He wipes the floor with Johnson every time. Fighting the left is something he shouldn’t have to do but when you have been voted in as the leader and some rally against you then you have to fight back, don’t you?

 

[Rascal]

when he He wipes the floor with Johnson every time. Fighting the left is something he shouldn’t have to do but when you have been voted in as the leader and some rally against you then you have to fight back, don’t you?

He promised to keep certain aspects of the last manifesto and the left helped vote him. As soon as he was in power he started dropping them promises. He is a liar and a charlatan and quite rightly he is facing the fury of the left. The about turn on the minimum wage was shameful, especially when he tried to claim the party was the party of the workers.

He should resign now, he backed the last manifesto whilst in the cabinet, has he no shame?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Labour’s Corbynites bear a large chunk of responsibility for Brexit and Johnson. Shut up you fucking loons. You had your chance.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

He promised to keep certain aspects of the last manifesto and the left helped vote him. As soon as he was in power he started dropping them promises. He is a liar and a charlatan and quite rightly he is facing the fury of the left. The about turn on the minimum wage was shameful, especially when he tried to claim the party was the party of the workers.

He should resign now, he backed the last manifesto whilst in the cabinet, has he no shame?

It depends on your thought process how you see it, and where your loyalties lie. I see it that when he came in he was in the frame of mind that he wanted to appease all and show a united front but as the left started to push more and more, in their attempt to force back control, he was left with no option but to then take control, which a leader would do.

What you say about going against promises is very much disrespectful but when you look deeper into them you can see that they are totally unrealistic. Minimum wage from £9 to £15 per hour won’t buy votes, it just keeps the unions happy and keeps Labour out of power as the majority of voters would see right through it, especially if they are business owners who look after their staff.

This is the problem with Labour, who I have sided with all my life, in that there is a hard left faction that would rather let the Tories run rough shod over the country as long as they can have political clout within their own party.

You’ve said yourself that you won’t be voting Labour so therefore you are basically giving your vote to the Conservatives, therefore you are basically keeping them in power, which stops Labour from making those ‘minor’ changes that will make your life, and millions of others, much better.

Most know that you can’t go from right to left, or vise-versa, over night, and it has to be a change management process, yet certain people believe that it can happen and dismiss anything in between.

I respect the left, and also respect the right in equal measure, that’s how our country has been made up for many years, but to get to an attainable level to challenge the current government, idealism must be set aside in favour of the greater good.

 

[city114]

I thought he spoke well today and it was a good strategy to compare his previous career with what Boris was up to at the time.

However, he just hasn't managed to crack the politics yet. He is incredibly intelligent and genuinely cares but to win an election he has to convince the public. He still speaks as if he is in court convincing educated peers rather than a political leader that needs to rally the troops and convince a largely idiotic population that he is the man to replace Boris.

Boris has fucked up time and time again but can get away with it by brainwashing the masses with three part slogans. As a population we are too lazy to hold the tories accountable for their long list of fuck ups. Starmer could just run through those in every speech and would likely get more support than he has now.

Labour will continue the infighting as policies develop and Boris will stick the knife in and divert attention away from his shambolic reign before getting another term.