Keir Starmer

[The Future’s Blue!]

I thought he spoke well today and it was a good strategy to compare his previous career with what Boris was up to at the time.

However, he just hasn't managed to crack the politics yet. He is incredibly intelligent and genuinely cares but to win an election he has to convince the public. He still speaks as if he is in court convincing educated peers rather than a political leader that needs to rally the troops and convince a largely idiotic population that he is the man to replace Boris.

Boris has fucked up time and time again but can get away with it by brainwashing the masses with three part slogans. As a population we are too lazy to hold the tories accountable for their long list of fuck ups. Starmer could just run through those in every speech and would likely get more support than he has now.

Labour will continue the infighting as policies develop and Boris will stick the knife in and divert attention away from his shambolic reign before getting another term.

I seen the end of his speech and the way it finished didn’t leave me with that ‘He’s won me over’ moment. He needs to refine his people person approach and can be guided in this respect.

As you allude, it’s the infighting that is the real issue, shown in full with the resignation of McDonnell during the conference. If that wasn’t for impact, to knock Labour off the rails, I don’t know what is.

An absolute cretinous move that showed that certain factions have no interest in us as people, they are just interested in their own power.

 

[Chris B]

Boris has fucked up time and time again but can get away with it by brainwashing the masses with three part slogans. As a population we are too lazy to hold the tories accountable for their long list of fuck ups.

I don’t think he fools anyone but he still got the votes because there wasn’t a credible alternative. Next election there will be based on Starmer’s speech today.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You’ve said yourself that you won’t be voting Labour so therefore you are basically giving your vote to the Conservatives, therefore you are basically keeping them in power, which stops Labour from making those ‘minor’ changes that will make your life, and millions of others, much better.

He lives in a Tory-Libdem contested seat, voting labour in such circumstances is a waste of time anyway. The sensible thing to do would be to vote libdem.

 

[mat]

Keir Starmer's Labour conference speech fact-checked - BBC News

Sir Keir made a series of claims about the Conservatives' record in government.

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

I look forward the BBC being as thorough with Bozo next week.

 

[urban genie]

He wipes the floor with Johnson every time. Fighting the left is something he shouldn’t have to do but when you have been voted in as the leader and some rally against you then you have to fight back, don’t you?

Most of the left myself included voted him in, all in good faith that he would fare best and on his now disgarded 10 leadership pledges.

For the first 9 months was given support unfortunately he instead started slowly setting up an inner circle of aides while removing long standing party workers from HQ, changing internal rules to marginalise some aspects of CLPs work, started an expulsion proccess of members from all groups that were deemed disloyal or not the right ideology.

He started an assault on the left as soon as he took office, if honest many have just give up and left rather than start a fight, as even under a similar tactic under kinnock many in the the left felt marginalised but commited to the labour movement, with starmer that spark of loyal party enthusiasm has flickered and died.

For me labour will be the only serious opponent to the tories next election (really wish people started looking at the greens tbh) , but my membership and fees has gone and I won't be leafleting, doorstepping or campaigning for them, not because it isn't 100% left wing, but because it has been made clear I am not welcome.

 

[urban genie]

Well to be fair I wouldn't class them as Cranks, more accurate to call them Charlatans.

When you said cranks I thought we were more in the realm of flat earthers, Tommy fans and gender critical crusaders.

Farage is a crank, his nonsensical bollocks is pure crank, yet over the 00s, especially with the rise of 24hr news stations such stuff, previously dismissed for what it was decades before has been slowly reclassified as sensible opinion to a point where it is accepted as a serious political viewpoint.

Anyway not really relevent to starmers speach which was decent enough.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Most of the left myself icluded voted him in, all in good faith that he would fare best and on his now disgarded 10 leadership pledges.

For the first 9 months was given support unfortunately he instead started slowly setting up an inner circle of aides while removing long standing party workers from HQ, changing internal rules to marginalise some aspects of CLPs work, started an expulsion proccess of members from all groups that were deemed disloyal or not the right ideology.

He started an assault on the left as soon as he took office, if honest many have just give up and left rather than start a fight, as even under a similar tactic under kinnock many in the the left felt marginalised but commited to the labour movement, with starmer that spark of loyal party enthusiasm as flickered and died.

For me labour will be the only serious opponent to the torie next election (really wish people started looking at the green tbh) , but my membership and fees has gone and I won't be leafleting, doorstepping or campaigning for them, not because it isn't 100% left wing, but because it has been made clear I am not welcome.

Totally get it, mate. I would say I’m left by principle and would feel marginalised if I didn’t look to what the country actual wants rather than what suits me personally. It was quite clear what was going to happen after the infighting under Corbyn, it was just a matter of time before those original promises were whittled away.

 

[domalino]

Asked to name 3 great Britons on the radio this morning he named.

The 1966 world cup team.

The 2021 England football team.

And the military.


In one answer it kind of summed up what's so annoying about him and his advisers. Obviously a prearranged question, its so easy to just name 3 people. Shakespeare, Churchill, Brunel, dickens, Darwin, Berners-Lee, Montgomery etc. You can even get a bit fun with it and show off some personality - say George Harrison if you're a Beatles fan. Hes an Arsenal fan so say Ian Wright or Pat Jennings or something.

Instead they just overthink and see. try to pander with every answer. It feele like some focus group said he needs to make people think he likes the armed forces and football so was told to squeeze them in no matter how stupid and clumsy.

Hed come across so much better if he just gave a normal answer to a simple question, showed a bit of personality and charisma.

 

[Vic]

The Times covers the speech, on page 16...

 

[Saddleworth2]

I seen the end of his speech and the way it finished didn’t leave me with that ‘He’s won me over’ moment. He needs to refine his people person approach and can be guided in this respect.

As you allude, it’s the infighting that is the real issue, shown in full with the resignation of McDonnell during the conference. If that wasn’t for impact, to knock Labour off the rails, I don’t know what is.

An absolute cretinous move that showed that certain factions have no interest in us as people, they are just interested in their own power.

Give me an infighting Labour with a decent, honest value driven person leading it any day of the week vs a morally corrupt bunch of liars that laughingly call themselves a Conservative government. The choice will be stark. More of the same corruption, lies and incompetence or someone that lead the Crown Prosecution Service succesfully.
If I was in England I sure know which one I would vote for irrespective of any doubts I had about the togetherness of the labour party.