Keir Starmer

metalblue said:
Neither Sunak nor Starmer grew up in a millionaire household. They are both millionaires now due to their careers - although Starmer lied about being a millionaire when getting elected to lead the Labour Party.

Sunak may or may not have had his phone cut off growing up - he’s not said. In fact having your phone cut off isn’t a sign of poverty by any metric.

It’s surreal even discussing this.
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Isn't most of Sunak's money due to marrying into money rather than good old fashioned hard work?
 
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metalblue said:
Neither Sunak nor Starmer grew up in a millionaire household. They are both millionaires now due to their careers - although Starmer lied about being a millionaire when getting elected to lead the Labour Party.

Sunak may or may not have had his phone cut off growing up - he’s not said. In fact having your phone cut off isn’t a sign of poverty by any metric.

It’s surreal even discussing this.
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Going to Winchester College isn't a sign of poverty by any metric.
 
Vic said:
Going to Winchester College isn't a sign of poverty by any metric.
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C'mon surely everyone can afford £52k per year. They might be able to do it if they saved up instead of spending money on new iPhones, netflix and takeaways.
 
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Kompany Car said:
C'mon surely everyone can afford £52k per year. They might be able to do it if they saved up instead of spending money on new iPhones, netflix and takeaways.
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To be fair, his family wouldn’t have been able to afford is they had lost their tax free status, it would’ve been a nightmare to afford the long shorts.
 
metalblue said:
Lol

I know real hardship, I remember when we had a phone cut off. How did the poor sausage survive? Now if he said he’d regularly hide behind the sofa from the prov or rent man… instead he just sounds like a twat whose trying to be your mate in the pub.
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If he didn't diddle his Granada tv box, I don't want to know.
 
Vic said:
Going to Winchester College isn't a sign of poverty by any metric.
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Kompany Car said:
C'mon surely everyone can afford £52k per year. They might be able to do it if they saved up instead of spending money on new iPhones, netflix and takeaways.
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The Future’s Blue! said:
To be fair, his family wouldn’t have been able to afford is they had lost their tax free status, it would’ve been a nightmare to afford the long shorts.
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He went on a bursary.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Really?

www.oxfordmail.co.uk

What are the fees at Winchester College, the public school Rishi Sunak went to?

Rishi Sunak was educated at the exclusive public school Winchester College, but what are the fees at that school?
www.oxfordmail.co.uk www.oxfordmail.co.uk

www.independent.co.uk

Rishi Sunak: The chemist’s son who may have found the formula for leadership

The chancellor’s star is still rising but he arrived here somewhat out of the blue, writes Tom Peck
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Fair enough. I’ve read somewhere before he had a bursary. Possibly applied later as you can apply for bursaries at any stage - or possibly it comes with being head boy (a fee reduction).

Anyway how the fuck did his parents afford those fees? I appreciate they had a pharmacy and his dad was a GP so they weren’t on their bare bones but that’s a lot for someone without wealth. Would have literally consumed all his dad’s salary. I guess the pharmacy provided them with a living.
 
Boring as fuck but i want boring as fuck , i want a pm that gets stuck in and works hard for the majority , i dont need a personality in charge or an out and out whinging , lying ****
 
metalblue said:
Fair enough. I’ve read somewhere before he had a bursary. Possibly applied later as you can apply for bursaries at any stage - or possibly it comes with being head boy (a fee reduction).

Anyway how the fuck did his parents afford those fees? I appreciate they had a pharmacy and his dad was a GP so they weren’t on their bare bones but that’s a lot for someone without wealth. Would have literally consumed all his dad’s salary. I guess the pharmacy provided them with a living.
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A day student at Winchester is probably half a GPs take home pay.

If you own a pharmacy then you're typically earning quite a lot more than a GP, (and depending on size, many times), so you're talking about being very wealthy - as a family it would put them in the top 1 or 2 % of the country.

He also has siblings, so I assume their private school bill was a lot higher than just Rishi.
 
Am i reading this right? A postscript to why Starmer didn't challenge Sunak in the debate re the £2,000 extra tax lie. Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian says:

"Afterwards, the £2,000 claim was rubbished from all quarters, while the top mandarin at the Treasury disavowed it, despite Sunak’s insistence that it had come from the civil service. And yet, for the best part of 48 hours, voters couldn’t move for talk of “£2,000”. Starmer should have been gripped by an instant sense of deja vu. The £350m that was on the side of the Vote Leave bus in 2016 was also roundly denied and denounced – but that only lodged it more firmly in the public mind. The pedlar of post-truth knows that denial is just another form of amplification. If Starmer had had recent history in his mind, he’d have feared that “£2,000” was about to become the new £350m – and moved to kill it off as soon as it was uttered."

So Starmer didn't want to amplify the lie by denying it but he should have killed it off by denying it. Is that what Freedland is arguing?
 
Vic said:
Am i reading this right? A postscript to why Starmer didn't challenge Sunak in the debate re the £2,000 extra tax lie. Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian says:

"Afterwards, the £2,000 claim was rubbished from all quarters, while the top mandarin at the Treasury disavowed it, despite Sunak’s insistence that it had come from the civil service. And yet, for the best part of 48 hours, voters couldn’t move for talk of “£2,000”. Starmer should have been gripped by an instant sense of deja vu. The £350m that was on the side of the Vote Leave bus in 2016 was also roundly denied and denounced – but that only lodged it more firmly in the public mind. The pedlar of post-truth knows that denial is just another form of amplification. If Starmer had had recent history in his mind, he’d have feared that “£2,000” was about to become the new £350m – and moved to kill it off as soon as it was uttered."

So Starmer didn't want to amplify the lie by denying it but he should have killed it off by denying it. Is that what Freedland is arguing?
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My theory was that if Starmer had shut it down the first time Sunak said it, it wouldn’t have got the traction it did and therefore the follow up letter from the Treasury that proved he was lying would also not have been useable to the same extent. It would have just been treated as a bit of an exaggeration rather than an outright premeditated lie. Starmer gave Sunak the rope and he hanged himself with it.

Needless to say that the subsequent D-Day farce has made it all a bit irrelevant.
 
west didsblue said:
My theory was that if Starmer had shut it down the first time Sunak said it, it wouldn’t have got the traction it did and therefore the follow up letter from the Treasury that proved he was lying would also not have been useable to the same extent. It would have just been treated as a bit of an exaggeration rather than an outright premeditated lie. Starmer gave Sunak the rope and he hanged himself with it.

Needless to say that the subsequent D-Day farce has made it all a bit irrelevant.
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Day 1. Sunak's a liar.
Day 2. Sunak's sacked off D Day so he can do a TV interview repeating the lie.
 
Vic said:
Day 1. Sunak's a liar.
Day 2. Sunak's sacked off D Day so he can do a TV interview repeating the lie.
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Day 4. Sunak cancels all interviews. Makes up for missing D Day ceremony by wearing trousers at half mast.
 
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