Keir Starmer

[Mr Kobayashi]

That’s not true with cancer mate. Of course there are some genes that do but equally important are lifestyle choices. Although your overall point stands.

Lifestyle can also be responsible for cardiac and hip issues too. I wasn't thinking only genetics. Full aware that cancer can be caused by lifestyle choices. My current job involves a bit of persuading people to stop poisoning themselves with carcinogens.

 

[mexico1970]

Lifestyle can also be responsible for cardiac and hip issues too. I wasn't thinking only genetics. Full aware that cancer can be caused by lifestyle choices. My current job involves a bit of persuading people to stop poisoning themselves with carcinogens.

You'd fucking drive people to drink and smoke.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You'd fucking drive people to drink and smoke.

Thanks for that. If you can give me your number I can give you a call tomorrow morning. I'll then happily pop down to the dodgy off-licence and get you a bulk order of snide tobacco and methanol contaminated spirits.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Lifestyle can also be responsible for cardiac and hip issues too. I wasn't thinking only genetics. Full aware that cancer can be caused by lifestyle choices. My current job involves a bit of persuading people to stop poisoning themselves with carcinogens.

 

[Ric]

Wonder how many votes the Ratboy session got him? It lost him mine anyway - second GE in a row when I stay in the car at the polling station while the other half does her electoral duty.

I jokingly said to my friends at the time when that was screened that it would cost Labour my vote. I wasn’t being serious, of course. I don’t care who you vote for, obviously, but please tell me that you’re not really abstaining on the basis of that. That would be a ridiculous decision, although admirable Berting at the same time.

 

[pirate]

Care to explain why you think it is fair that the burden for improving our state education system should fall on the shoulders of a few people and not fall on everyone’s shoulders?

its progressive taxation
basically the concept of the richer you are the more you pay to keep society running
that's our whole tax system
in this case the calculation is that those who can choose to send their children to private schools are richer than the average and therefore should be taxed.
personally I would put it all on an increase in the top rate of income tax and a change back to the pre thatcher tax model where 70% of government income same from taxes on companies and 30% taxes on individuals, unlike now where 60% comes from taxes on individuals

 

[metalblue]

Lifestyle can also be responsible for cardiac and hip issues too. I wasn't thinking only genetics. Full aware that cancer can be caused by lifestyle choices. My current job involves a bit of persuading people to stop poisoning themselves with carcinogens.

I was being a bit pedantic. Totally off topic but before the 1950s (IIRC) breast cancer was quite low on the list of reason for deaths in women. Then it suddenly shit up. Cause? Birth control pill. Thats probably jointly caused by biology and ”life choices” (obviously without knowing the risks etc so not the same as smoking these days). Anyway way off topic.

 

[metalblue]

its progressive taxation
basically the concept of the richer you are the more you pay to keep society running
that's our whole tax system
in this case the calculation is that those who can choose to send their children to private schools are richer than the average and therefore should be taxed.
personally I would put it all on an increase in the top rate of income tax and a change back to the pre thatcher tax model where 70% of government income same from taxes on companies and 30% taxes on individuals, unlike now where 60% comes from taxes on individuals

It’s not progressive tax, if they just increased tax on the top tax payers to pay for it I would agree.

The wealthy pay more - progressive
Tax on cigs for smokers - progressive
Tax on beer for drinkers - progressive
Tax on fuel for drivers - progressive

I can’t see how taxing a small group of people to pay for an education system they won’t use as progressive. Particularly as it’s education.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It’s not progressive tax, if they just increased tax on the top tax payers to pay for it I would agree.

The wealthy pay more - progressive
Tax on cigs for smokers - progressive
Tax on beer for drinkers - progressive
Tax on fuel for drivers - progressive

I can’t see how taxing a small group of people to pay for an education system they won’t use as progressive. Particularly as it’s education.

Everyone uses the education system. Do wealthy people with small, medium and large businesses not employ people who were state educated?

The vast majority of parents are aspirational for their children. But some want to build their children's aspirations on breaking the backs of others.

How is it right that privately educated twits who have been spoonfed by teachers and fed propaganda about markets and and a disrespect and sneering towards public services have a greater chance of obtaining positions of power and influence over those public services. And then inevitably run those services in to decline?

Public schools were initially setup for the benefit of the poor, they were then corrupted and taken over by upper middle classes to advance and maintain their own positions.

 

[metalblue]

I jokingly said to my friends at the time when that was screened that it would cost Labour my vote. I wasn’t being serious, of course. I don’t care who you vote for, obviously, but please tell me that you’re not really abstaining on the basis of that. That would be a ridiculous decision, although admirable Berting at the same time.

Sometimes you have to take a stand and it would legendary berting.

I’m not voting for Starmer because he’s a weak lying **** who would do and say anything for power but I wish I could hand on heart say it was down to rat boy and I could add it to the list of fucking Sharp and Sky off. Cue the usual “we don’t want your vote anyway” from the resident hypocritical mouth pieces of Starmer’s Labour Party.

 

[mexico1970]

Sometimes you have to take a stand and it would legendary berting.

I’m not voting for Starmer because he’s a weak lying **** who would do and say anything for power but I wish I could hand on heart say it was down to rat boy and I could add it to the list of fucking Sharp and Sky off. Cue the usual “we don’t want your vote anyway” from the resident hypocritical mouth pieces of Starmer’s Labour Party.

Yeah...but apart from that?

 

[Postman Pep]

Brass neck update

 

[metalblue]

Everyone uses the education system. Do wealthy people with small, medium and large businesses not employ people who were state educated?

The vast majority of parents are aspirational for their children. But some want to build their children's aspirations on breaking the backs of others.

How is it right that privately educated twits who have been spoonfed by teachers and fed propaganda about markets and and a disrespect and sneering towards public services have a greater chance of obtaining positions of power and influence over those public services. And then inevitably run those services in to decline?

Public schools were initially setup for the benefit of the poor, they were then corrupted and taken over by upper middle classes to advance and maintain their own positions.

Everyone does use the educational system in, at least, a secondary way. So progressive would be everyone pays for its improvement with the greatest burden falling on the richest - not a small cohort of society. Surely you can see the distinction here?

The rest of what you think happens in a private school are way off though mate.

Interesting read here. The private school teacher saying hold private schools accountable to use 20% of their income on bursaries is actually a much better idea IMHO.

The debate: Would Labour’s plan to tax private school fees work?

A teacher and former policy adviser at the Department for Education discuss Labour’s proposed policy.

www.bbc.co.uk

Doesn’t look like it’s getting implemented until 2025 now anyway and I think they’re going to run in to difficulties with this SEND issue.

 

[metalblue]

Yeah...but apart from that?

I missed off he’s a thin skinned ****.

BTW I liked how he didn’t mention his dad was a tool maker on QT … obviously his focus group got in his ear about being a boring **** and how people weren’t laughing at his dads job but him.

 

[bluenova]

Everyone does use the educational system in, at least, a secondary way. So progressive would be everyone pays for its improvement with the greatest burden falling on the richest - not a small cohort of society. Surely you can see the distinction here?

The rest of what you think happens in a private school are way off though mate.

Interesting read here. The private school teacher saying hold private schools accountable to use 20% of their income on bursaries is actually a much better idea IMHO.

The debate: Would Labour’s plan to tax private school fees work?

A teacher and former policy adviser at the Department for Education discuss Labour’s proposed policy.

www.bbc.co.uk

Doesn’t look like it’s getting implemented until 2025 now anyway and I think they’re going to run in to difficulties with this SEND issue.

I'm sure the private school teacher thinks more bursaries are a good idea :)

Bursaries would usually be given for those who do well in entrance exams, and so the private sector would just skim a few more of the most intelligent kids from the state sector.

If we're looking at what's best for state schools, where the majority of kids go, then perhaps bursaries only for kids that are in the lower 20% academically, and extra points if they've been excluded more than once.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Everyone does use the educational system in, at least, a secondary way. So progressive would be everyone pays for its improvement with the greatest burden falling on the richest - not a small cohort of society. Surely you can see the distinction here?

The rest of what you think happens in a private school are way off though mate.

It isn't at all. Not all private school kids go to the Sixth form, I live in a town with three large private schools and another in the neighbouring town. I shared classrooms kids that went to all of those schools but the most expensive one.

I was told by one of those kids that teachers did spoonfed, he wasn't prompted and he was planning to vote conservative.

Interesting read here. The private school teacher saying hold private schools accountable to use 20% of their income on bursaries is actually a much better idea IMHO.

The debate: Would Labour’s plan to tax private school fees work?

A teacher and former policy adviser at the Department for Education discuss Labour’s proposed policy.

www.bbc.co.uk

Doesn’t look like it’s getting implemented until 2025 now anyway and I think they’re going to run in to difficulties with this SEND issue.

It's a fantastic idea if you want to keep private schools going. But we need to manage them in to decline for the benefit of all.

Private/public schools are a bureaucracy that seeks to at least maintain and then replicate themselves.

Just like the British Monarchy, The Chinese Communist Party, and The Japanese Whaling Office.

But just like all the above, they are an anachronism that has outlived it's usefulness. Private schools cause more harm than good. We can't abolish them entirely but we can manage them into decline to make the job easier for future generations.

 

[mexico1970]

I missed off he’s a thin skinned ****.

BTW I liked how he didn’t mention his dad was a tool maker on QT … obviously his focus group got in his ear about being a boring **** and how people weren’t laughing at his dads job but him.

I didn't know his dad was a toolmaker, I thought he was a factory owner :) The claims of childhood poverty by Starmer are the ones that should worry everyone.

 

[metalblue]

I'm sure the private school teacher thinks more bursaries are a good idea :)

Bursaries would usually be given for those who do well in entrance exams, and so the private sector would just skim a few more of the most intelligent kids from the state sector.

If we're looking at what's best for state schools, where the majority of kids go, then perhaps bursaries only for kids that are in the lower 20% academically, and extra points if they've been excluded more than once.

Not all kids are academics - which is where our education system fails them full stop with this insistence on a national curriculum. The golden age of British education was before the national curriculum came in to force.

If private schools are so brilliant then why would we be opposed to the brightest 20% going? Hell I’d favour more so make private education fees come out ahead of tax to make it more available and / or the government contribute the £7k or whatever it is they would spend sending a kid through state school each year. Tax private education profits at 100% and pump it in to the state offering. Teach vocational skills not just academic. Education isn’t free wherever you undertake it so let’s think big and just focus on the kids here who in turn eventually pay taxes and keep everything running in the future.

Otherwise we just have a race to the bottom where ideology is more important than what’s best for kids.

 

[metalblue]

I didn't know his dad was a toolmaker, I thought he was a factory owner :) The claims of childhood poverty by Starmer are the ones that should worry everyone.

He had his phone cut off one month mate. Lived in fhe wastelands of the Surrey / Kent borders. You don’t survive that sort of hostile environment if you’ve not got summit about you. That kid knew real hardship.

 

[mexico1970]

He had his phone cut off one month mate. Lived in fhe wastelands of the Surrey / Kent borders. You don’t survive that sort of hostile environment if you’ve not got summit about you. That kid knew real hardship.

They are selling Starmer bandanas in the Arndale next to the vape shop, I shit you not mate ;-O