Keir Starmer

Poor Kier.

It would appear the hard left 5 a side team in here are not huge fans lol.

Did you listen to the two minutes twenty above?

Did you not think it was just a little bit bland, and you struggle to keep interest for the whole clip?

Fair enough it is just another speech that few will have watched the whole part or paid much attention to, it isn't something that is going to make or break him. But it's just a bit meh.

The problem he has is that it just sounds insincere, this dispassionate style of speaking that he has developed as a QC just comes across as wooden and inauthentic. Compare it to his speaking style at PMQs which appears more natural and confident.
 
Poor Kier.

It would appear the hard left 5 a side team in here are not huge fans lol.

Politics is fucked now - Labour is engaged in an internal battle within the PLP and the broader party - commentators and voters likewise which just turns people off.

Arguably the same on the Right where the Tories are caught up in their own battles - the PTP has CRG/Brexiters v moderates - there is also internecine jostling for position to succeed Johnson - worried MPs with small majorities facing whats coming down the track and the effect can be seen where the voters turned their backs spectacularly in by-elections in two of their safest seats.
 
No it is still flawed because other than people that openly admit to wanting a talking shop/protest party they wouldn't acknowledge that their ideas and potential policies are "unelectable".

In fact the socialist broad brush is often misused on here and some know they are deliberately doing it. You could say the same for "heartless tory bastards" but that's for another thread.

"1970s socialist" became something of a pet insult for one shouty poster when half a dozen people had him on ignore. It was easy for him to assume that people ignored because of a shared politics when in actual fact it was because of his behaviour and overly argumentative and critical analysis light style of posting. And plenty of the people he accused of being socialist weren't.

Your analysis is also based on the idea of a centre ground largely defined by the establishment, the powerful and media elite.

So the "centre ground" isn't actually the centre ground but to the right of it, although on social reform issues it may be to the left of it at times.

Whilst it is difficult to change people's ideas and outlook on life most of the general public are relatively poorly informed and don't critically analyse political information properly.

When people are told the government has run out of money and the last government left a note to saying sorry and it was meant seriously, unless they they are well informed or sceptical in nature, they are more likely to believe it than not.

It’s why emotional arguments and simple analogies and narratives are often the most effective at winning elections. People don't really want to hear that the real world is a complex place and it requires complex solutions.
I would say that we need to agree to disagree - but, TBH, I think that you have gone off on some tangent and I do not have any desire/interest in following you.

I had thought my comment(s) were pretty straight-forward, non-contentious and entirely valid - and I am sure a good number on here would agree.

You don't - OK - that's fine

Perhaps I should have said instead:

"...............Starmer moving more to(wards) the centre ground........."
 
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Poor Kier.

It would appear the hard left 5 a side team in here are not huge fans lol.
Yep - I would suggest that:

"A number of posters simply hate the idea of Labour becoming electable by moving more to(wards) the centre ground......"
 
The fabled "Centre ground"

Otherwise known as the I'm alright jack and will give faux fucks for real injustices as it doesn't affect me.
 
The fabled "Centre ground"

Otherwise known as the I'm alright jack and will give faux fucks for real injustices as it doesn't affect me.

I’ve used the term myself but I do wonder if this “centre ground” is a by-product of our electoral system. I.e with a diluted left vote (multiple parties) to win in a FPTP system Labour is forced to appeal to the middle to get enough traction on policies to win the necessary constituents? PR would leave the left able to form and govern with coalitions.
 
Shows what i always said before i was hounded off the covid thread , you can catch it two maybe three times , hope he is ok
For the 6th time I heard! Not sure if correct. But you're right though, my neighbour has had covid the past two Christmases, thankfully only in hospital for the first one.
 

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