Keir Starmer

[MillionMilesAway]

This will be interesting - I see it as that they need to test the water on what line to put out ahead of any election. As a hardcore remainer I know there will be a lot of push back as it will be far short of any serious effort to get us back into the EU, not even back in to the SM/CU.

It will be interesting to see what noises the tories make - this speech will in part speak to the disaffected tory/leave voter who is maybe seeing the light and thinking its not all it cracked up to be. The reality for Labour / Lib Dem is they have the remain voters in any event. Its the wavering leavers they need to speak to and they need to slowly bring them back round to understanding that a policy based on two fingers up to the EU only makes our lives harder.

I can't see any way he can offer rejoining imminently, as it's still in the process of unwinding still.
I expect him to frame any comment on the subject as 'not yet, not ruling it out though', but it's mostly a matter of anyone wanting to rejoin needing to accept that it's not been 2 years yet and is too soon.

 

[mat]

That might wash in London and England but Scottish Labour will be inwardly groaning. The SNP will make hay from the statement and point out that Starmer is just chasing English votes and keeping Brexit in a hard form. The Opposition parties really are in a fascinating state.

Thats the alliance torched should he need it to take power.

 

[mat]

I can't see any way he can offer rejoining imminently, as it's still in the process of unwinding still.
I expect him to frame any comment on the subject as 'not yet, not ruling it out though', but it's mostly a matter of anyone wanting to rejoin needing to accept that it's not been 2 years yet and is too soon.

You'd need at least a generation to pass to try again.

By then the politics maybe very different.

Personally, i think he should say its done and we have to turn it into a positive that benefits all and not just a few rich tory donors.

 

[Gabriel]

I dont see abstension when you look at how awful the tories are. There is a massive desire to kick the tories in the balls. That likely over-rides the EU issue for most voters, people just want the tories out.

As for the SNP - the issue above also drives voters to the SNP. I dont see them losing any support. Hopefully Labour and Lib Dem will have enough without them.

Hard to say at the moment, as none of us can be sure how by-election votes will translate into general election votes, so while people will enjoy putting the boot into the Conservatives at the moment, they might not be quite so willing in two year’s time. I agree that the SNP‘s position will be only strengthened, but it would take a monumental shift to the Liberal Democrats in the shires for there to be enough Labour and Liberal Democrat seats to form a government.

 

[west didsblue]

He looked very scared at the pride march.

Was Chris Pincher stood near him?

 

[mat]

Was Chris Pincher stood near him?

The way Rayner was posing with him he might of thought she'd whip her cock out.

 

[Gabriel]

Thats the alliance torched should he need it to take power.

Not necessarily. It might take a tremendous amount of horse trading and a fundamental change in the Union, but it could be the price the Liberal Democrats/Labour are prepared to pay to hold power and effect change.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

You'd need at least a generation to pass to try again.

By then the politics maybe very different.

Personally, i think he should say its done and we have to turn it into a positive that benefits all and not just a few rich tory donors.

sounds about right - 4-5 years from vote to leaving, at least 10 years to settle, so it'll be over 15 years from the referendum.
I think the last bit will be much what he does, as there isn't any other sane approach. Can't give the Conservatives a target to misrepresent.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

sounds about right - 4-5 years from vote to leaving, at least 10 years to settle, so it'll be over 15 years from the referendum.
I think the last bit will be much what he does, as there isn't any other sane approach. Can't give the Conservatives a target to misrepresent.

Suggesting to go back into the SM/CU could be a quick win to reduce some to the cost of living strain though.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Suggesting to go back into the SM/CU could be a quick win to reduce some to the cost of living strain though.

Possibly, something for closer to the election though, as it may have receded in importance a little by then.
The Conservatives have no compunction in claiming Labour voted against all sorts of things and would happily claim they want to rejoin without context.