Keir Starmer

[Gabriel]

Suggesting to go back into the SM/CU could be a quick win to reduce some to the cost of living strain though.

Not going to happen. He’s chasing Brexiteers.

It all sounds as if it could have been written by Theresa May, on a bad day. Cartoonists should portray him in her characteristic leopard-skin shoes.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Not going to happen. He’s chasing Brexiteers.

It all sounds as if it could have been written by Theresa May, on a bad day. Cartoonists should portray him in her characteristic leopard-skin shoes.

Disappointing really. There are signs that people are waking up to Brexit being shit.

 

[Gabriel]

Disappointing really. There are signs that people are waking up to Brexit being shit.

Not disappointed because I wasn't expecting anything else.

Labour are just claiming to offer 'a better version' of the 'better version' of what the Conservatives are offering. There is precious little fundamental change and certainly not enough to alleviate the chronic pain the majority of people are feeling. Labour are simply trying to be as inoffensive as possible and appear the safer option, but whether that will be radical enough to win in '25, I don't know. Maybe there will be no appetite for significant change amongst the English electorate by then and that will satisfy them.

 

[mat]

Sir Keir sitting on the fence. Who fucking knew...

Is he leading the party or taking instruction from B.Liar and Mandy?

Maybe he's resigning this week so he's not arsed.

 

[Postman Pep]

Not disappointed because I wasn't expecting anything else.

Labour are just claiming to offer 'a better version' of the 'better version' of what the Conservatives are offering. There is precious little fundamental change and certainly not enough to alleviate the chronic pain the majority of people are feeling.

That's it in a nutshell. They seem to believe that serious reform isn't required just better management. This position on brexit is just a continuation of that.

Vote Labour for marginally less shit in your rivers.

Labour are simply trying to be as inoffensive as possible and appear the safer option, but whether that will be radical enough to win in '25, I don't know. Maybe there will be no appetite for significant change amongst the English electorate by then and that will satisfy them.

Never been convinced that this timid strategy would be enough. With what people are facing right now and what's to come I'm now almost certain it isn't.

 

[Gabriel]

That's it in a nutshell. They seem to believe that serious reform isn't required just better management. This position on brexit is just a continuation of that.

Vote Labour for marginally less shit in your rivers.

Never been convinced that this timid strategy would be enough. With what people are facing right now and what's to come I'm now almost certain it isn't.

They cannot be 'radical' for fear of being labeled the second-coming of Corbyn so they have to position themselves as a sensible and moral (cue Durham Constabulary) alternative. I understand that.

However, there will be some who think that the better management guise is just covering the serious reform and that things will be different once they are leading a coalition. I'm less convinced. My greatest fear is voter apathy.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Maybe he's resigning this week so he's not arsed.

You wish. This move is aimed at voters that voted for brexit and for BJ but maybe are seeing the light. Its going to piss of the labour base but its a calculated move. Its how you win elections.

 

[west didsblue]

You wish. This move is aimed at voters that voted for brexit and for BJ but maybe are seeing the light. Its going to piss of the labour base but its a calculated move. Its how you win elections.

Precisely. If (when) the economy continues to suffer from the effects of Brexit and the more stubborn people start to realise, that is probably the time to be a bit more radical. At the moment it's a balance between not scaring off any of the pro or anti Brexit factions. He is also trying to neuter the Tory press by actively distancing himself from Corbyn and the Labour left. The calculation will be that it's better to have a broad church of mildly disappointed unenthusiastic people than a narrow church of people who think he's great because the former will secure Labour more votes than the latter.

 

[mat]

You wish. This move is aimed at voters that voted for brexit and for BJ but maybe are seeing the light. Its going to piss of the labour base but its a calculated move. Its how you win elections.

At the moment I want stability and proper leadership.

If he resigns I wouldn't put it past Johnson to go to the polls and I get 5 more years of the bastards in at the moment.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I like Starmer a lot

But ruling out going back in the EU is a no go for me