Maybe they should have when they had the chance ..... If only those tales of 'hard left' momentum stormtroopers purging everyone in sight were true eh :)
Talking of Momentum, this article heading from yesterday is surely peak Skwawkbox:Maybe they should have when they had the chance ..... If only those tales of 'hard left' momentum stormtroopers purging everyone in sight were true eh :)
So because a QC found it impossible to make a decision on one specific claim of 'verbal pressure ', which accounted for 1 paragraph in a 138 report, we should keep an open mind and discount all the other detail?I think you're maybe reading more into my comments than I intended.
I'm saying that if Forde has investigated properly (and initially the likes of Owen Jones, Novara etc. seemed happy that he had - obviously Steve Howell's statement contradicts this) and Forde is saying he can't dismiss the claims, then I don't think we can. The claim is also that they were pressured to move funding away from the initial target seats and towards Corbyn loyalists. If they are saying they didn't do this, and avoided it because instead they hid much of the money, then there wouldn't be a financial trail.
All I'm saying, and I'm pretty sure I've made this clear in my other messages, is that we don't know, and the guy who spent two years putting together the report, says he doesn't know. What someone says is evidence, it's just not proof as we don't know if they're telling the truth. As far as I can seem you're the only one who is making a decision about the truth of what they're saying. I am not :)
Not sure what any of that means. My reference to momentum was about people referencing them on these pages in Daily Mail moral panic terms. I mean they can't be that revolutionary they haven't been 'proscribed' yet!Talking of Momentum, this article heading from yesterday is surely peak Skwawkbox:
Lansmanite ‘Momentum Organisers’ group makes deal on NEC candidate support with CLPD to take Momentum chair positions then u-turns and overturns big vote in JVL’s Wimborne-Idrissi’s favour, say insiders
It wasn't related to your post, except that you and the other poster had just mentioned them. I just read that today, and thought it was brilliant, and worth a wider audience.Not sure what any of that means. My reference to momentum was about people referencing them on these pages in Daily Mail moral panic terms. I mean they can't be that revolutionary they haven't been 'proscribed' yet!
You could always offer an opinion .... or as you frame it .... grown up talk.Another opportunity to cause unrest in the Labour Party when they have a real chance to make change.
Time for Labour to have that grown up talk and start thinking of the future.
I admire you for having principles and sticking to them.All I know is I am sick to fucking death of the Labour RW, Blue Labour, Progress, Fabians and the rest of the liberal centrist cunts. There is more chance of me buying a ST for the swamp than there is me voting Labour ATM.
Starmer is a ****, Reeves is fucking horrible and a majority of Labour MPs are not worth a wank (Ange Raynor is an exception, just) . As the Tories move ever rightwards Labour follows like a little lost puppy because the leadership and the party does not dare to be Socialist.
We have a cost of living crisis and the Tory candidates are falling over themselves to offer tax cuts, tax cuts that will lead to further devastation of our public services, so why the fuck ain't the party of labour out there offering an alternative, a Socialist vision. Why the fuck are Labour MPs not on picket lines, supporting the working class.
Peter Oborne the distinguished RW journalist who worked for the Telegraph and others, said, "my position has not changed, the Tory party has left me" That is exactly how I feel about the Labour party. I do not recognise them anymore and they do no longer speak for me.
I have been a Labour supporter since I became politically aware around the age of 13, I have been a member for years, not anymore, they are lost to me. It breaks my heart, as long as people like that fucking clown Luke Akehurst are on the NEC and his band of Labour First "moderates" run the party it is fucked.
I am and always been a Democratic Socialist (looney leftie in modern parlance), I am anti capitalist and anti fascist, I am pro trade union and I believe in equality of opportunity. I believe in a strong state that provides cradle to grave welfare, an NHS free at the point of use, justice being available to everyone regardless of economic circumstances, a strong and well funded Police force, armed forces worthy of our nations standing, controlled but not discriminatory immigration, human rights for all, racial equality, social housing being available to all, nationalisation of all essential public services, I am a long time supporter of CND (my first ever political stance was a CND march in Manchester aged 14) I am wary of NATO expansionism, I was against the Iraq war as I am against all wars. I find the culture war stuff bewildering as it divides the working class quite deliberately and I am pro Working class. I am pro Brexit because the EU is a neo liberal construct designed to work for the owners of capital even though in the great Democratic Socialist tradition I am an internationalist who believes in co-operation rather than a Nationalist who believes in there own country to the detriment of others. I am also a patriot, I love my country and want our country to be the best it can possibly be for everyone who lives here. Economically I am Keynesian rather than Hayekian, I believe in progressive taxation, but also believe in the idiom that a fair days work deserves a fair days pay. The Blairite introduction of the minimum wage has been a disaster, it has created a baseline wage that means working people have to rely on foodbanks. Its 2022 not 1870 and charity should play no part in meeting societal ills especially in the 6th richest country on the planet, Just before the election of 1979 inequality was at an all time low, now its at an all time high. In my lifetime my country has become more unequal that at any time in history. That appals me from the perspective that we have so many new billionaires but have areas of our city that are the most deprived in Europe.I admire you for having principles and sticking to them.
Perhaps Labour would do better in putting clear ground between themselves and the Tories.