When it's aligned with terror groups of said state of Palestine that refuses to acknowledge the state of Israel and its right to exist?
Yeah, it does become a bit of an issue.
The party passed a motion to recognise the state of Palestine.
Is that a problem?
There is evidence. Are the Jewish Post using tropes against themselves?You do realise that that isn't the point about it being seen as antisemitic?
It's the trope that once again, the situation in the US is in someway connected back to Israel. For what purpose. And yes, the have trained with them. There is however no evidence that the Israeli Defence Force taught them to kneel on black people's necks in order to murder them, which was the insinuation being made.
Its not a subject I know a lot about, but arnt you getting mixed up with the leadership of the country and the country itself.
You see its not only some Labour voters who are attached to the issue, your reaction shows it is an issue on the right too, where support of Israel is a given.
The right hide this issue and accuse the left of AS to hide it, you have just proved it by your reaction.
I am for a two state solution so not in principle but you have to ask yourself why and why the show of Palestinian flags at the conference?
That alongside some of the rhetoric used was surely intimidating for Jewish members?
Why did so many leave if there wasn’t an issue?
That's my understanding of traditional left wing working class values too. Not the 'liberal left' idea we are asked to buy into now.That is the where the liberal lefty stuff comes from. People see the Labour party as socially liberal, I am not a liberal, never have been. I am far more authoritarian and the Labour always used to have a strain of patriotic small C conservatism about it because to put it simply, its the working class traditional labour voters that did most of the dying for the country.
An interesting bit of ifaboutery!
This may seem equally distant from the current stuff, but anti-Semitism is not an invention of the left. Try the right wing press: "German Jews pouring in" was typical Daily Mail http://heindehaas.blogspot.com/2015/05/
No, you're just not understanding the point.There is evidence. Are the Jewish Post using tropes against themselves?
So many leave? It became the largest political party in Europe. It is only now that people are leaving in droves because of Starmer
Corbyn said Hamas are “friends”.
This terrorist group wants to wipe every Jew off the map.
Theres your issue.
It’s not a problem for many Labour members and I agree with a lot of your personal social policies but there was an issue in the party.
By that admission, you agree that Hamas are a shameful, disgusting group, and Corbyn was wrong to defend and associate with them, yes?Churchill said Stalin the communist dictator was his friend.
Blair was friends with the terrorist Gaddafi
Thatcher was friends with the murderous fascist dictator Pinochet
America was friends with fucking Osama Bin Laden
See i have no issue with an Israeli state, but you go out of your way to defend the state, why do you do that? Are you friends with the far right Netanyahu?
Because once again, you are banging on and on and on about AS, you have become obsessed with it in a way the overwhelming majority of Labour members are not. Using AS as a means to attack other peoples politics is using the people of Israel as a tool which is a bad and debasing as AS itself.
No, you're just not understanding the point.
The "trope" that Maxine Peake quoted, is the antisemitic source. The trope she quoted stated that Israel has been training US police for the sole purpose of killing blacks in America to incite a race war. That is the trope, that Peake partly repeated, presumably because she heard it elsewhere, and one that RLB seemed to endorse.
And you think Churchill should not have been friendly towards StalinBy that admission, you agree that Hamas are a shameful, disgusting group, and Corbyn was wrong to defend and associate with them, yes?
(NB: Churchill never trusted Stalin, neither did Roosevelt. He actually considered Stalin a bigger threat than Hitler and hoped they'd wipe each other out. When it became clear that the Soviets were losing and thus would see an even stronger Nazi Germany, the Allies decided to 'assist' Stalin. It was Stalin who proposed the US and UK to open another front to relieve the pressure on Soviet Union.)
Churchill said Stalin the communist dictator was his friend.
Blair was friends with the terrorist Gaddafi
Thatcher was friends with the murderous fascist dictator Pinochet
America was friends with fucking Osama Bin Laden
See i have no issue with an Israeli state, but you go out of your way to defend the state, why do you do that? Are you friends with the far right Netanyahu?
Because once again, you are banging on and on and on about AS, you have become obsessed with it in a way the overwhelming majority of Labour members are not. Using AS as a means to attack other peoples politics is using the people of Israel as a tool which is a bad and debasing as AS itself.
The Soviets raped, murdered peoples in Poland, Romania, Hungary, Lithuania, Finland, Estonia and Latvia.And you think Churchill should not have been friendly towards Stalin
And we lose WW2
Those 2 days a week you are legally guaranteed to have off. The unions.
Minimum 4 weeks hols a year. The unions.
8 bank holidays a year off. The unions.
Virtually all H&S in the work place. The unions.
Employment protections. The unions.
The fact that until about 40 years ago you could get a shop floor job and buy your own house, own a car, and maybe have a holiday every year. The unions.
The fact that the nhs is still almost free. The unions.
Every pay rise you've ever had. The unions.
The fact that right wing types often reminisce about how society used to be a lot kinder in the old days? They're right it did. Because people used to care about their neighbour. The unions.
You're welcome you shower of ungrateful, swallowed-the-kool-aid, took the benefits of the unions sacrifices but now want to deny my children the same opportunities, cunts.
You deserve the cunts we have in power today. And remember, when they come for your job, your livelihood, your freedoms, because of your own selfish actions there will likely be no union to protect you.
I hope some of you cunts starve.
Oh for the love of...Apparently the INDY edited that article several times, I may have missed that.
My point is what she said is true, the Jewish Post backed her up. The IDF train US police. It may not have been the purpose granted to start a race war, but they have come pretty close to inciting one.
Because we don't wish to talk to your position anymore after years of being labelled with every slur under the sun that Labour could think of.Anyway I never got a single answer to my post asking what was wrong with the policies that a social democratic government could bring into being, because once again AS
The damage those cunts at Labour HQ caused now make it impossible to talk about anything else. Their job is done and they did it well, they made Labour unelectable and have split the party into two.
The only winners are Johnson and the Tory party because I cant see Starmer ever being PM.
I will leave you lot to it.
Anyway I never got a single answer to my post asking what was wrong with the policies that a social democratic government could bring into being, because once again AS
The damage those cunts at Labour HQ caused now make it impossible to talk about anything else. Their job is done and they did it well, they made Labour unelectable and have split the party into two.
The only winners are Johnson and the Tory party because I cant see Starmer ever being PM.
I will leave you lot to it.