Keir Starmer

Rascal said:
Just read on twitter that Starmer is a secret brexiteer and the person tweeting said that he it on good authority that Keith voted leave in the referendum. I cant see it myself but the bonus will be.......

The FBFE mob will be furious.
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Well well well.
 
Rascal said:
Just read on twitter that Starmer is a secret brexiteer and the person tweeting said that he it on good authority that Keith voted leave in the referendum. I cant see it myself but the bonus will be.......

The FBFE mob will be furious.
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Shirley cannot be true, as that would mean he was a secret leaver, knew his leader was really pro leave and that bar the big labour cities most who would vote for them were leavers.

Then he pushed a will/we won't we stance in the last election and presured others in the PLP to do the same till th aparty backed it causing a complete colapse of support.


That would be some bad judgement and duplicity from him.
 
urban genie said:
Shirley cannot be true, as that would mean he was a secret leaver, knew his leader was really pro leave and that bar the big labour cities most who would vote for them were leavers.

Then he pushed a will/we won't we stance in the last election and presured others in the PLP to do the same till th aparty backed it causing a complete colapse of support.


That would be some bad judgement and duplicity from him.
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I am sceptical as twitter is full of crap.
 
Rascal said:
Who is he trying to appeal to though.

He has purged the left and alienated the moderates. The party has a real problem as its voting base is two distinct entities. It has the support of the metro liberals in the big cities, but sacrificed the traditional small c social conservatives in the red wall. It was why Labour was so ambigous over Brexit, it could not possibly appeal to both entities as it stood. It ended up losing the red wall but consolidating the metropolitan vote.

There is also the fall out from the disgraceful behaviour of the staffers at Party HQ to come. There actions in destroying the chance of a Labour victory in the election before last will have reverberations across the party that could be catastrophic. They are the ones to blame for this Johnson shit show as they actively worked against the party they were paid to serve. The enquiry if it ever sees the light of day could well destroy Starmer especially if it shows he was one of the active plotters against his own party. Notice how Watson has all but disappeared as he is rumoured to be one of the major players behind it. If it does get really dirty and the Labour party love to throw dirt about then its game over.

There is a hell of a lot more dirty washing to be aired yet and i actually feel sorry for Starmer, he has the LOTO job at possibly the worst time in the parties history but he hasn't helped himself with some of the decisions he has made. He may well appeal to voters the party need to win to gain power, but he is gaining those votes at the expense of others that he also needs to gain power. He is stuck, he has nowhere to go without risking alienating even more parts of the party. Just recently a large number of Jewish Socialists were purged from the party, i posted about it but it was mostly ignored, he is facing calls from Muslim members that the party is unwelcoming to them, he has Rayner threatening to suspend thousands of members and a Chairman who Starmer picked who is proving to be possibly the most authoritarian in the parties history. Membership has fallen by as much as 50% and there does not appear any coherent plan other than to abstain and lick Johnsons arse. Even on BREXIT now as much as I am in favour of it, Starmer should have opposed it, because he didn't support it in the first place and to wave it through now looks hypocritical.

And finally we had Rayner the other day literally begging on twitter for people to campaign, to deliver the leaflets and all backed up by a ridiculous photoshop of Corbyn rally. Reality is hitting home, they know they have lost many of the people who did the hard yards and they have no replacements, the party sadly is fucked. It breaks my heart to see it in such a sorry state and I honestly do not see a way back for the party for a generation and that is of the party survives at all.
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Agree with most of that, and the Labour party have many issues, not least the fact that without Scottish Labour mps they will always struggle to form a working majority whatever they do.The best they could hope for is a coaltion government with SNP Mps.
The fact remains though winning back floating voters is essential and Starmer is step towards that whether it’s a big step or a small step remains to be seen. .
Unless something happens though to UK, but particularly English politics we are stuck. A change of electoral system would help, but there is little to no chance of that.
Scottish independence if or when it comes will only make martters worse .
 
Ancient Citizen said:
There is a perception of blandness about the bloke, for sure, politics
being as it is, you need someone colourful, vibrant and persuasive, he's far from being any of that, even though he's intellectually sound, or so it appears.
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'Colourful,vibrant and persuasive - you talking about Benny Hill?
Unfortunately the first two personality traits are not the best ones needed at this time as the country has found to it's cost in the pandemic.
Anyway Joltin' Joe did ok in the States!
 
Len Rum said:
'Colourful,vibrant and persuasive - you talking about Benny Hill?
Unfortunately the first two personality traits are not the best ones needed at this time as the country has found to it's cost in the pandemic.
Anyway Joltin' Joe did ok in the States!
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I’m more than happy to get rid of the eccentric and get some professionalism back.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but you have made plain that you don’t believe he is a true socialist and belongs in another party.

Why do you think that you repeated baseless tittle tattle ?
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I found it interesting that somebody made such a claim. Because if true and i have said it is doubtful, the ramifications of it are enormous.

If it is true, it proves he is a Socialist, but it also proves his actions in pushing for a 2nd referendum were nefarious.

If it is baseless tittle tattle then my original thoughts remain unaltered. I am trying to find a reason why i could back him you see, because as it stands he is a far better alternative to the clown we currently have as PM.
 
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Keith facing a revolt by some of his MPs who are refusing to back him over Johnson's shit deal.

I wonder if they will be treated like members and thrown out of the party, ermmm.
 


Whilst all other opposition parties vote for No Deal, Starmer has the integrity to do what is right for the country and articulate it clearly.

Bravo, sir.
 
Rascal said:
Keith facing a revolt by some of his MPs who are refusing to back him over Johnson's shit deal.

I wonder if they will be treated like members and thrown out of the party, ermmm.
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I suppose it depends on if they have left wing principles of not...
 
Brexit is a difficult one for labour. The majority of the party know its dog shit but they also know that a number of the voters they lost were due to opposing it. Keir is playing it safe by not standing in the way. This will define the tories whatever labour do and getting in the way only plays to the tory narrative.

Once the deal is done it just becomes clear how shit it was and the tories have to find something else to make a crusade out of. Not sure they will do that well.

 
Gaudion M said:
Brexit is a difficult one for labour. The majority of the party know its dog shit but they also know that a number of the voters they lost were due to opposing it. Keir is playing it safe by not standing in the way. This will define the tories whatever labour do and getting in the way only plays to the tory narrative.

Once the deal is done it just becomes clear how shit it was and the tories have to find something else to make a crusade out of. Not sure they will do that well.

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No matter how many will deny it on this thread, it’s blatantly obvious just how much of an improvement he’s been.
 
Ban-jani said:
No matter how many will deny it on this thread, it’s blatantly obvious just how much of an improvement he’s been.
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He plays it very smart. He knows what tories want to talk about and what they don’t. He can't stop them doing anything so he picks the right battles. Once Brexit is done it gets easier for him.
 
Everytime Starmer does a presser he puts up that 'a new leadership' banner on his lectern,gets everyones hopes up before popping up behind it to prove it is in fact still the same leadership.
 
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