Keir Starmer

smudgedj said:
Oh come on. Only a leader like Angela has the gravitas, knowledge, skills and experience to reunite the country and deal with on going issues like climate change.
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Its slim pickens out there but Ange would be as big a turn off for voters as Labour could pick, awful woman.
 
They will be out in the wilderness if they appoint Rayner, she's a massive turn off for most.
I'm all for representation from anyone who is not part of the Eton/oxford clique this lot need ousting, (some type of proportional representation system maybe) and more of the (wo)man on the street but this one is a weapon absolute numbskull I'm baffled how she got as far as she has......
 
denislawsbackheel said:
He’s making a start.
Abolishing the charitable status of public schools.
Gets my vote.
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Never fucking understood how they have that status - except for that its a tax break that benefits the rich.......oh and we have had most number of years since WW2 with a Tory Govt......................... in fact Labour also has a lot to answer for - take this status away from the cunts.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Never fucking understood how they have that status - except for that its a tax break that benefits the rich.......oh and we have had most number of years since WW2 with a Tory Govt......................... in fact Labour also has a lot to answer for - take this status away from the cunts.
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To avoid this just being the politics of envy the real challenge is not only to abolish the 2-tier (class) system of education, but also to honestly address the elephant in the room and make state/comprehensive education as good. Besides the inherent class divide it seems to come down to opportunities, class sizes and MONEY - which lies at the base of small class sizes and large opportunities. We need to find a way of making comprehensive education that well resourced and that good.
 
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
To avoid this just being the politics of envy the real challenge is not only to abolish the 2-tier (class) system of education, but also to honestly address the elephant in the room and make state/comprehensive education as good. Besides the inherent class divide it seems to come down to opportunities, class sizes and MONEY - which lies at the base of small class sizes and large opportunities. We need to find a way of making comprehensive education that well resourced and that good.
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alternative view is lets level DOWN Eton to Grange Hill and see how long there is suddenly a recognised need to level up Grange Hill to the level of Eton.

Not hard just needs political will and funding
 
bluethrunthru said:
alternative view is lets level DOWN Eton to Grange Hill and see how long there is suddenly a recognised need to level up Grange Hill to the level of Eton.

Not hard just needs political will and funding
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I think we need to uplift Grange hill at the same rate as we smash Eton or all we achieve is a class-war victory rather than a societal change. Won't pretend I have the answers though.
 
hilts said:
Comes across as condescending and gobby with a bit of a nasty attitude thrown in. She worked for the council where I know a few people and opinions were not good.

Labour would be wise to choose someone else imho.
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watching Starmer right now on Marr..... fuck me .... do you have a dog? Will it be Labour leader? Can it bark once for yes and twice for no? Just that Starmer can't even bark................no is said with 1000 words ffs
 
hilts said:
Comes across as condescending and gobby with a bit of a nasty attitude thrown in. She worked for the council where I know a few people and opinions were not good.

Labour would be wise to choose someone else imho.
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Have you seen her comments in front of a group of journalists at the conference. I want my politicians a little more polished than some drunk bloke down the pub.
 
Marrs questions are 50/50 some on things people care about the rest baiting starmer over shit no one gives a fuck about.

Just went back on most pledges he got elected on and really told us nothing, except he won't call tories scumbags.

Right about johnson though and how being a liar seems to be overlooked because he shows off.
 
malg said:
Have you seen her comments in front of a group of journalists at the conference. I want my politicians a little more polished than some drunk bloke down the pub.
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Didn’t see it sounds fun:-) seen enough interviews with her mind to know she isn’t a vote winner on performance or personality.
 
bluethrunthru said:
watching Starmer right now on Marr..... fuck me .... do you have a dog? Will it be Labour leader? Can it bark once for yes and twice for no? Just that Starmer can't even bark................no is said with 1000 words ffs
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Not watched it mate, so if Starmer is too passive and bland who stands out for you if anyone? I’m struggling tbh but I don’t watch politics as closely as I used to. Please don’t say Nandy.
 
hilts said:
Not watched it mate, so if Starmer is too passive and bland who stands out for you if anyone? I’m struggling tbh but I don’t watch politics as closely as I used to. Please don’t say Nandy.
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I have met Nandy - she is cut from the same cloth as Starmer - lots of words to say fuck all. She did her best to leave an indelible blank on the mind. I'd go with Rayner because she ticks the working class boxes - if they want to reconnect with "real" people and their experiences she at least lived a real life
 
bluethrunthru said:
I have met Nandy - she is cut from the same cloth as Starmer - lots of words to say fuck all. She did her best to leave an indelible blank on the mind. I'd go with Rayner because she ticks the working class boxes - if they want to reconnect with "real" people and their experiences she at least lived a real life
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Hard to get exited about someone whose only quality is ticking a working class box. Especially as they need Middle England voters. Gobby aggressive working class northerner doesn’t see like a match made in heaven.
 
malg said:
Have you seen her comments in front of a group of journalists at the conference. I want my politicians a little more polished than some drunk bloke down the pub.
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Comments made to activists, calling a Tory government scum, hardly worth talking about is it?
 
I doubt Raynor could win a general election with the regional snobbery that exists in this country and still those many who feel threatened or socially conditioned to not accept a working class person (man or woman) being in charge.

However her comments yesterday are all true of this government and I want an opposition calling them out for being the scum they are, so I have no issue with her comments or the manner she gave them.

Starmers a shithouse, won't even call them lower than vermin, something that has been said before by labour so isn't a taboo or antisocial
 
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