Keir Starmer

[Bigga]

I’m not repeating myself forever here, they haven’t been given a pass there is a massive thread on Johnson and the Tory party. I started one of them. If she keeps on with it she will be known as the gobby woman who thinks Tories are scum.
That will be brought up at election time, it will be in peoples minds who have caught the headlines. None of this stuff matters to people who vote Labour ie people like you for instance

None of it matters to people who always vote Tory. It will affect how some in the middle think though. Whether we like it or not how you present yourself to those whose votes you need matters.

She should just use her noggin otherwise she is helping the Tory ‘scum’ she wants rid of. Which is ironic. Labour have an image problem in middle England this won’t help.

You know what's ironic? That you miss the point enough when you've been explained to what the issue is! The fact YOU start a thread or anyone else is NOT what matters here.

You are not the MSM who speak to the masses and form their opinions for them.

Let me give you a classic example that you will already know about, no doubt:

Corbyn like a piece of art for what HE thought it represented. He was then told he was 'antisemetic' for liking what was deemed a stereotypical offering of who controlled what in the world (amongst other accusations). Do the MSM counter this narrative with his marches against the NF and true antisemetic groups?

No.

The public were left with the view they were given.

There are no true journalists anymore or very very few view that show both sides of an argument as is supposed to be their job and leave the viewer to make up their own minds.

That's why I am the way I am on the US Politics/ Biden/ this and the Starmer threads.

It's all full of shit.

 

[Bigga]

This is the whole fucking point of what she said is wrong. This is what it causes.

It doesn’t fucking matter what they have said or done, it doesn’t give her credibility to stoop down to their level and call them scum otherwise you have two sets of groups calling each other names without getting anything done and people like you lap it all up as some sort of tribal game.

There you go sieving the working class politician from being themselves. You want some polished turd that will offer you sweet nothings so you can sleep at night because someone lied to you better than the next person.

How many Eton taught 'leaders' have fucked this country through its arse and yet more of them stand in the queue to take their turn?

I guess "people like you lap it all up".

 

[urban genie]

The keir starmer thre tonight presented to you by by monty python




They were 40yrs ahead of twitter on this oreborus of a topic

 

[N1985]

Born with a cock, man. Born with a fanny, woman.

You can stick a Ferrari kit on an MR2, it ain't a fucking Ferrari.

 

[Bigga]

It’s sadly the state of politics in this country, no middle ground, tribal and no hope of any progression in the future with attitudes like this.

"No middle ground"???

Isn't that were Johnson stepped in to...? Isn't that why you lot said Corbyn lost the voter because Johnson got there before him?

I love how the goal posts are being moved to accommodate the monumental mistake of Johnson because the UK is "right wing" as a populace, apparently!

 

[BobKowalski]

Born with a cock, man. Born with a fanny, woman.

You can stick a Ferrari kit on an MR2, it ain't a fucking Ferrari.

Some people are intersex.

All embryos start off female. That’s right. We started life as a girl.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You don't say.

Problem is gender ideology has two pillars.

1. We're all born with an innate gender identity and that trumps sex.
2. Sex isn't a thing anyways.

So there's no common ground.

Liberation movements have always struggled to create their own legitimate space, gay liberation, women's liberation, Black Liberation and so on.

Gender ideology is the first liberation movement that's not interested in creating its own legitimate space, it wants to occupy one that's already taken.

To do that they have to destroy what's already in situ and that means the destruction of what it is to be a woman, hence this billboard is a threat....

You fail to acknowledge this, so either you're dumber than I thought or your a bad faith actor, either ways this isn't a debate, this is either won or lost.

Gender idealogy?

This sounds like just another "cultural marxism", what's wrong with letting people live as they wish as far as it doesn't harm other people?

Plenty of articles online making use of the term that link it to bigots within religious Conservative groups.

If individual trans women present a risk to other women in spaces such as refuges, then they shouldn't be there. This isn't really something anyone will argue with, but then I would take the same stance that aggressive predatory lesbian (sex offenders) shouldn't occupy those spaces.

It’s not reasonable to expect that transwomen set up their own refuges because there is no viable model for such a small minority. So where there is a need for transwomen fleeing male violence to access a refuge of course they should be able to access female spaces unless issues discussed above prevent that.

I'm sure there were white supremacists who took the same stance as you but about blacks trying to occupy "white society" and attain social status reserved only for good old whitey.

So we can go back around in circles about what it means to be a woman... When in the inevitable answer is that's up to each individual woman to decide themselves.

Or we could argue like bible bashing zealots and refuse to accept that biological sex is only the product of evolution. Sometimes there is a mixup in the baby factory, which results in wombless women, intersex people and the most likely explanation for trans people (individuals with intersex brain chemistry).

 

[mexico1970]

If you can't say that only women have cervixes then turn the lights out, we're done as a human race.

Pontification in the extreme.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Gender idealogy?

This sounds like just another "cultural marxism", what's wrong with letting people live as they wish as far as it doesn't harm other people?

Plenty of articles online making use of the term that link it to bigots within religious Conservative groups.

If individual trans women present a risk to other women in spaces such as refuges, then they shouldn't be there. This isn't really something anyone will argue with, but then I would take the same stance that aggressive predatory lesbian (sex offenders) shouldn't occupy those spaces.

It’s not reasonable to expect that transwomen set up their own refuges because there is no viable model for such a small minority. So where there is a need for transwomen fleeing male violence to access a refuge of course they should be able to access female spaces unless issues discussed above prevent that.

I'm sure there were white supremacists who took the same stance as you but about blacks trying to occupy "white society" and attain social status reserved only for good old whitey.

So we can go back around in circles about what it means to be a woman... When in the inevitable answer is that's up to each individual woman to decide themselves.

Or we could argue like bible bashing zealots and refuse to accept that biological sex is only the product of evolution. Sometimes there is a mixup in the baby factory, which results in wombless women, intersex people and the most likely explanation for trans people (individuals with intersex brain chemistry).

live as they wish, so a belief, so an ideology. The rest is false equivalency.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Gender idealogy?

This sounds like just another "cultural marxism", what's wrong with letting people live as they wish as far as it doesn't harm other people?

Plenty of articles online making use of the term that link it to bigots within religious Conservative groups.

If individual trans women present a risk to other women in spaces such as refuges, then they shouldn't be there. This isn't really something anyone will argue with, but then I would take the same stance that aggressive predatory lesbian (sex offenders) shouldn't occupy those spaces.

It’s not reasonable to expect that transwomen set up their own refuges because there is no viable model for such a small minority. So where there is a need for transwomen fleeing male violence to access a refuge of course they should be able to access female spaces unless issues discussed above prevent that.

I'm sure there were white supremacists who took the same stance as you but about blacks trying to occupy "white society" and attain social status reserved only for good old whitey.

So we can go back around in circles about what it means to be a woman... When in the inevitable answer is that's up to each individual woman to decide themselves.

Or we could argue like bible bashing zealots and refuse to accept that biological sex is only the product of evolution. Sometimes there is a mixup in the baby factory, which results in wombless women, intersex people and the most likely explanation for trans people (individuals with intersex brain chemistry).

I suppose I should be grateful you didn't throw a Clown fish into this word salad.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I suppose I should be grateful you didn't throw a Clown fish into this word salad.

Sad old bigot. I won't reply you, don't reply to me. I actually tried to engage with you on a constructive level but there is no point, when you aren't making daft posts about Jeff Stelling in a dress, it's like talking with the secret Marxist society in Hail Caesar, just a load of theoretical nonsense that bears little relation to how people actually live their lives.

I'm not surprised that you are getting likes from that other type of bigot.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Sad old bigot. I won't reply you, don't reply to me. I actually tried to engage with you on a constructive level but there is no point, when you aren't making daft posts about Jeff Stelling in a dress, it's like talking with the secret Marxist society in Hail Caesar, just a load of theoretical nonsense that bears little relation to how people actually live their lives.

I'm not surprised that you are getting likes from that other type of bigot.

Less of the sad.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Sad old bigot. I won't reply you, don't reply to me. I actually tried to engage with you on a constructive level but there is no point, when you aren't making daft posts about Jeff Stelling in a dress, it's like talking with the secret Marxist society in Hail Caesar, just a load of theoretical nonsense that bears little relation to how people actually live their lives.

I'm not surprised that you are getting likes from that other type of bigot.

hmm, but I don't identify as one so you're just discriminating against my self-identification so you're an evil bigot...

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

hmm, but I don't identify as one so you're just discriminating against my self-identification so you're an evil bigot...

How about the medical condition where your genitalia is unusually placed?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

How about the medical condition where your genitalia is unusually placed?


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yes, you certainly are afflicted by that unfortunate condition. I feel blessed our perpetual kindness enables you to mix amongst us.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Because gender Ideology uses stealth to spread their propaganda, with Stonewall in particular using the dark art of institutional capture, the voices of women are marginalised and consequently they're forced to find any port in a storm.

Nevertheless, for anyone interested in finding out what's really going on this sums it up rather well.....




Oh! And anyone happy to piss on women's rights should be made to answer this question....

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

yes, you certainly are afflicted by that unfortunate condition. I feel blessed our perpetual kindness enables you to mix amongst us.

Tedious, boring and predictable... Is that Burnley FC or Pannick?

Night night x

 

[The perfect fumble]

Sad old bigot. I won't reply you, don't reply to me. I actually tried to engage with you on a constructive level but there is no point, when you aren't making daft posts about Jeff Stelling in a dress, it's like talking with the secret Marxist society in Hail Caesar, just a load of theoretical nonsense that bears little relation to how people actually live their lives.

I'm not surprised that you are getting likes from that other type of bigot.

I told you there was no point in a debate, and your posts are proof of it, but at least take away this.

Your analysis has no foundation in fact, but of course it doesn't need to, as Owen Jones said (gender ideology) is a matter of faith.

Your references to...

"aggressive predatory lesbian(s)"

"just another "cultural marxism"

"what it means to be a woman... When in the inevitable answer is that's up to each individual woman to decide themselves."

"biological sex is only the product of evolution"

"trans people (individuals with intersex brain chemistry)"

These are the ramblings of a juvenile, mouthing the catechisms of a simplistic but sinister faith, gobbets of nonsense that have no basis in logic whatsoever, in fact calling this gibberish an ideology does it a disservice, it is a cult, a narcissistic cult.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I told you there was no point in a debate, and your posts are proof of it, but at least take away this.

Your analysis has no foundation in fact, but of course it doesn't need to, as Owen Jones said (gender ideology) is a matter of faith.

Your references to...

"aggressive predatory lesbian(s)"

"just another "cultural marxism"

"what it means to be a woman... When in the inevitable answer is that's up to each individual woman to decide themselves."

"biological sex is only the product of evolution"

"trans people (individuals with intersex brain chemistry)"

These are the ramblings of a juvenile, mouthing the catechisms of a simplistic but sinister faith, gobbets of nonsense that have no basis in logic whatsoever, in fact calling this gibberish an ideology does it a disservice, it is a cult, a narcissistic cult.

This whole debate should be irrelevant. We’re talking 100 people here.

I‘ve no idea why either of you invest so much time and passion to what is a non-problem.

Labour should ignore it and leave it to the courts.

A bit like Palestine.

There are massive moral issues around both, but neither are vote winners in the U.K..

Get in power and chat about both in a non-conflictive way.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This whole debate should be irrelevant. We’re talking 100 people here.

I‘ve no idea why either of you invest so much time and passion to what is a non-problem.

Labour should ignore it and leave it to the courts.

A bit like Palestine.

There are massive moral issues around both, but neither are vote winners in the U.K..

Get in power and chat about both in a non-conflictive way.

Watch the video clip I posted on the previous page and you'll realise that's not an option.