Keir Starmer

Bigga said:
There you go sieving the working class politician from being themselves. You want some polished turd that will offer you sweet nothings so you can sleep at night because someone lied to you better than the next person.

How many Eton taught 'leaders' have fucked this country through its arse and yet more of them stand in the queue to take their turn?

I guess "people like you lap it all up".
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Deary me. Working class people don’t go round calling people scum. Nor do upper class, middle class or whatever class you perceive people to be. Only thick graceless people do.
 
Bigga said:
"No middle ground"???

Isn't that were Johnson stepped in to...? Isn't that why you lot said Corbyn lost the voter because Johnson got there before him?

I love how the goal posts are being moved to accommodate the monumental mistake of Johnson because the UK is "right wing" as a populace, apparently!
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I read the attacks you get on this sub forum and think sometimes they are out of order.

But I can now see why they happen.

“you lot”? Who am I?

You’re very quick to label people and put them in groups. First working class people have a vocabulary of inappropriate language and now you are labelling me as a tory.

What a weird individual.
 
WNRH said:
Deary me. Working class people don’t go round calling people scum. Nor do upper class, middle class or whatever class you perceive people to be. Only thick graceless people do.
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So... You've never called Ronaldo's Red Cnuts 'scum'?

That puts you in the top 0.5% of the forum.

The Tory gov are entitled believing they are supposed to be leading the way, think they're superstars and amongst Europe's, if not the world's elite and they tread on all the little people not giving a shit whilst expecting to be headline news; i.e., "scum".

You must be a Starmer-ite or Tory-lite voter.
 
If Angela Raynor had said Tories were lovely cuddly fair even handed wonderful people, that would have been fine but she would be lying

Angela Raynor tells the truth and that is unfair, its nasty, vindictive and out of order.

What sort of country are we when if you tell the truth you are vilified, you lie and you become PM .
 
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The perfect fumble said:
I told you there was no point in a debate, and your posts are proof of it, but at least take away this.

Your analysis has no foundation in fact, but of course it doesn't need to, as Owen Jones said (gender ideology) is a matter of faith.

Your references to...

"aggressive predatory lesbian(s)"

"just another "cultural marxism"

"what it means to be a woman... When in the inevitable answer is that's up to each individual woman to decide themselves."

"biological sex is only the product of evolution"

"trans people (individuals with intersex brain chemistry)"

These are the ramblings of a juvenile, mouthing the catechisms of a simplistic but sinister faith, gobbets of nonsense that have no basis in logic whatsoever, in fact calling this gibberish an ideology does it a disservice, it is a cult, a narcissistic cult.
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No it isn't. I never said biological sex in human beings was the product of evolution in humans, it is the product of evolution in our ancestors.

You are not only a bigot but you are also dishonest because I've told you before I don't support self-id only and don't automatically assume people identifying as trans actually are. But you still want to talk about Owen Jones and your usual garbage.

I don't have "gender idealogy" and these are stuff I posted above is things I have learnt or come to believe from my own reading not identity politics twitter/tumblr or Owen Jones.

I looked it up to see what "gender idealogy" actually was and all I could find that discussed it in detail were sites that claimed it was a conspiracy theory cynically used for the purpose of smearing, pushing back civil liberties and stoking culture wars.

The frequent accusations of misogynist, this is so tragically ironic for someone who gatecrashed the Sarah Everard thread to post to post your transphobic bigotry.

So this isn't really about women is it?

Like Graham Linehan reacting irrationally to the pulling of a crap episode of "The IT Crowd" it seems it is just about your own narcissism and stubbornness.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
This whole debate should be irrelevant. We’re talking 100 people here.

I‘ve no idea why either of you invest so much time and passion to what is a non-problem.

Labour should ignore it and leave it to the courts.

A bit like Palestine.

There are massive moral issues around both, but neither are vote winners in the U.K..

Get in power and chat about both in a non-conflictive way.
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Agreed. If people want to discuss this issue, they should start a thread on it rather than hijacking a thread about Keir Starmer.
 
WNRH said:
Deary me. Working class people don’t go round calling people scum. Nor do upper class, middle class or whatever class you perceive people to be. Only thick graceless people do.
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The bewigged Tory MP Michael Fabricant would like to differ

 
Bigga said:
So... You've never called Ronaldo's Red Cnuts 'scum'?

That puts you in the top 0.5% of the forum.

The Tory gov are entitled believing they are supposed to be leading the way, think they're superstars and amongst Europe's, if not the world's elite and they tread on all the little people not giving a shit whilst expecting to be headline news; i.e., "scum".

You must be a Starmer-ite or Tory-lite voter.
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The average football fan does it all the time. But football fans aren’t a figurehead at a club.

Pep doesn’t come out in his interviews and call Solksjaer and Klopp “scum” does he? If he did I’d think he was a classless fucker who needs to grow the fuck up. But Pep is a professional and has got a lot of class about him. Talking like that is beneath Pep.

Raynor has shown she’s not a professional and she’s got no class about her. She's supposed to be a figurehead at a major politcal party but has slurred this shit out like your average pissed up footy fan in the pub on derby day. As soon as she said it i immediately thought "no wonder people don't vote for Labour". If this language is not beneath someone of her stature it says a lot about her.

Leave that shit to the overexcitable student Labour voters who talk like this all the time.
 
bluethrunthru said:
The bewigged Tory MP Michael Fabricant would like to differ

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So you're saying what we all already know... that Labour are no better than the Tories!

It's what we all know and why millions of people don't vote or vote for alternative parties instead of these two showers of shit.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
The average football fan does it all the time. But football fans aren’t a figurehead at a club.

Pep doesn’t come out in his interviews and call Solksjaer and Klopp “scum” does he? If he did I’d think he was a classless fucker who needs to grow the fuck up. But Pep is a professional and has got a lot of class about him. Talking like that is beneath Pep.

Raynor has shown she’s not a professional and she’s got no class about her. She's supposed to be a figurehead at a major politcal party but has slurred this shit out like your average pissed up footy she fan in the pub on derby day. As soon as she said it i immediately thought "no wonder people don't vote for Labour". If this language is not beneath someone of her stature it says a lot about her.

Leave that shit to the overexcitable student Labour voters who talk like this all the time.
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So you think she should lie?
 
Bigga said:
You know what's ironic? That you miss the point enough when you've been explained to what the issue is! The fact YOU start a thread or anyone else is NOT what matters here.

You are not the MSM who speak to the masses and form their opinions for them.

Let me give you a classic example that you will already know about, no doubt:

Corbyn like a piece of art for what HE thought it represented. He was then told he was 'antisemetic' for liking what was deemed a stereotypical offering of who controlled what in the world (amongst other accusations). Do the MSM counter this narrative with his marches against the NF and true antisemetic groups?

No.

The public were left with the view they were given.

There are no true journalists anymore or very very few view that show both sides of an argument as is supposed to be their job and leave the viewer to make up their own minds.

That's why I am the way I am on the US Politics/ Biden/ this and the Starmer threads.

It's all full of shit.
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Gobby says Tory scum her words, media report it, media give interview where she explains her Rick from the young ones stance, posters of a certain persuasion deflect and use whataboutery. You bizarrely waffle the media don't show both sides which is the exact opposite of what happened here.

The only thing achieved here is she looks like a child. Posters confirm they treat politics like football and are incapable of rational debate and we are all subjected to another bizarre rant from you.

If we want rid of the tories even people like Rayner need to engage their brains more. This country ain't changing anytime soon and neither is the media.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
So you're saying what we all already know... that Labour are no better than the Tories!

It's what we all know and why millions of people don't vote or vote for alternative parties instead of these two showers of shit.
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I don’t recall Labour MPs urging people to bomb Tory offices. The last MP to be murdered was a Labour MP and by a far right Brexiteer, so I guess Labour MPs are a little more circumspect in their language.
 
hilts said:
Gobby says Tory scum her words, media report it, media give interview where she explains her Rick from the young ones stance, posters of a certain persuasion deflect and use whataboutery. You bizarrely waffle the media don't show both sides which is the exact opposite of what happened here.

The only thing achieved here is she looks like a child. Posters confirm they treat politics like football and are incapable of rational debate and we are all subjected to another bizarre rant from you.

If we want rid of the tories even people like Rayner need to engage their brains more. This country ain't changing anytime soon and neither is the media.
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I thought there was an interesting and illuminating interview with Raynor in the Times.

www.thetimes.co.uk

Angela Rayner: ‘I find it difficult feeling happy’

Angela Rayner is one of the most powerful women at Westminster, the deputy leader of the Labour Party and shadow secretary of state of the future of work and sh
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk
 
Rascal said:
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So you think she should lie?
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In fairness rascal no one has said she should lie just be a tad more mature in her language. You can have a bigger impact this way. She has made the story about her and not about the people who should be held to account.

People can be passionate without having to use insults. If they can't it says alot about their character.
 
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