Keir Starmer

Fode N The Hole said:
Do you honestly think he was a marxist?
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He was put in place by complete undesirables. Thankfully with his defeat and subsequent removable, the Momentum lot seem to have disappeared as well.

Labour can now shift back to a slightly left of centre stance, one that will hopefully see them elected again in the near future.
 
blueinsa said:
He was put in place by complete undesirables. Thankfully with his defeat and subsequent removable, the Momentum lot seem to have disappeared as well.

Labour can now shift back to a slightly left of centre stance, one that will hopefully see them elected again in the near future.
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When you say slightly left of centre stance what do you mean? How would you describe that in policy terms?
 
blueinsa said:
He was put in place by complete undesirables. Thankfully with his defeat and subsequent removable, the Momentum lot seem to have disappeared as well.

Labour can now shift back to a slightly left of centre stance, one that will hopefully see them elected again in the near future.
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And you say that as someone to the right of the right of centre?
 
I am not a massive Starmer fan however when people say politicians are all the same I despair of how they fall for the Johnson fanboy clubs pushing of that idea to cover his awful personality and behaviour.

I'll believe that when they show me where Starmer or Ed Davey has a trail of kids some of whom they won't acknowledge or where they lied to the Queen or where they lied in PMQ's as a matter of course every week - show me when they accepted luxury food parcels from a mate and donor or money from a donor to do up a flat - then I'll agree they are all the same.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I am not a massive Starmer fan however when people say politicians are all the same I despair of how they fall for the Johnson fanboy clubs pushing of that idea to cover his awful personality and behaviour.

I'll believe that when they show me where Starmer or Ed Davey has a trail of kids some of whom they won't acknowledge or where they lied to the Queen or where they lied in PMQ's as a matter of course every week - show me when they accepted luxury food parcels from a mate and donor or money from a donor to do up a flat - then I'll agree they are all the same.
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I'm not sure there are many that think they are all the same as Johnson.

Apart from some disgraced during 1990s court cases and some who haved served in his cabinet, I'm struggling to pick someone with high prominence and anywhere near as self-serving and narcissistic.
 
blueinsa said:
He was put in place by complete undesirables. Thankfully with his defeat and subsequent removable, the Momentum lot seem to have disappeared as well.

Labour can now shift back to a slightly left of centre stance, one that will hopefully see them elected again in the near future.
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No chance, I and many other "labour" supporters will not vote for this Tory lite shithouse starmer. We had our chance to change things and blew it. The sooner starmer crosses the floor and fucks off the better.
 
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blue cigar said:
No chance, I and many other "labour" supporters will not vote for this Tory lite shithouse starmer. We had our chance to change things and blew it. The sooner starmer crosses the floor and fucks off the better.
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Problem is, the many others you talk about are nowhere near enough to get what you want and all you do is ensure yet another Tory victory.
 
blue cigar said:
No chance, I and many other "labour" supporters will not vote for this Tory lite shithouse starmer. We had our chance to change things and blew it. The sooner starmer crosses the floor and fucks off the better.
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You had your chance in 2 elections with Corbyn and he failed miserably against appalling opponents.

It will be down to people with similar opinions to yours that will help the Conservatives win the next election however shit they are - and they are by far the worst government I can remember.
 
west didsblue said:
You had your chance in 2 elections with Corbyn and he failed miserably against appalling opponents.

It will be down to people with similar opinions to yours that will help the Conservatives win the next election however shit they are - and they are by far the worst government I can remember.
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He failed because people like you didn't back him, fair enough but that was your chance to get rid of the tories. Likewise I won't back starmer and he will not win an election. Starmer last night ordered his labour MPs not to oppose an extension to the welfare cap imposed as part of Tory austerity, he is in the wrong party
 
blueinsa said:
Problem is, the many others you talk about are nowhere near enough to get what you want and all you do is ensure yet another Tory victory.
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Honestly, I don't see the difference with this government and one that starmer would lead. I can't vote for a man like him same as you couldn't vote for Corbyn? I want an alternative and I think the country needs an alternative
 
blue cigar said:
He failed because people like you didn't back him, fair enough but that was your chance to get rid of the tories. Likewise I won't back starmer and he will not win an election. Starmer last night ordered his labour MPs not to oppose an extension to the welfare cap imposed as part of Tory austerity, he is in the wrong party
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My constituency was between Labour and Lib Dem. If it was between Labour and Conservative I would absolutely vote Labour even with Corbyn there because I recognised Johnson was a far bigger threat to the country than Corbyn. If you are in a seat where your vote for Labour would help to keep a Tory out and you fail to use it, you are a enabler of the Tories.
 
blue cigar said:
Honestly, I don't see the difference with this government and one that starmer would lead. I can't vote for a man like him same as you couldn't vote for Corbyn? I want an alternative and I think the country needs an alternative
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Would Starmer have had lock down parties?
Would Starmer have pursued an extreme version of Brexit?
Would Starmer tell lie after lie after lie?
Would he fuck.

They're not the same.
 
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You saw your arse about her allegedly chewing gum a month ago yet I've not yet seen any criticism of Johnson from you for attending multiple parties while people couldn't even gather outside for the wakes of loved ones, and could only spend a few minutes with their dying partners or parents.
 
blue cigar said:
Honestly, I don't see the difference with this government and one that starmer would lead. I can't vote for a man like him same as you couldn't vote for Corbyn? I want an alternative and I think the country needs an alternative
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No problem whatsoever with that opinion and wish.

The issue is there is not the appetite in the electorate for the type of change you desire and I don’t think there ever will be.
 
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