Keir Starmer

[joe123]

I'll turn your argument on it's head and ask isn't this 'destroy the village to save it' approach of the new management incredibly shortsighted and if this strategy fails all they are doing is facilitating more Tory rule?

My optimistic view on things are that this Tory govt is so shambolic that people would be prepared to elect a Lab government that is diluted socialism, and they can nudge left from there. Rightly or wrongly, I just don't think the UK electorate will go for a radical shift left. The media, as they did with Corbyn, would be screaming about us all ending up in gulags and make it a complete non-starter. It's a case of supporting what's least far away from my views rather than trying to vote for something that's perfectly aligned with me. And surely anything is better than this shower of shit, and Starmer seems best places to supplant them.

 

[KPXBLN]

Someone threw an egg at him and got locked up. This was Brexit related.
Someone else spat at him and got a community order. It was accepted that this was not politically motivated.
Can't find any stories about a mob descending on him and abusing him using insults that the Prime Minister had used a few days earlier.

BBC - "The man accused of driving a van into a crowd of people near a north London mosque had hoped to kill Jeremy Corbyn." He also referred to Corbyn as a "terrorist," a remark we could link to Cameron - and practically every single newspaper - calling him a terrorist sympathiser for years on end. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42875216

We could also broaden this discussion beyond Labour party leaders and think about the several cases of people canvassing for Labour in 2019 getting assaulted. Whether or not you supported or voted for Labour back then, it's undeniable that the volume, frequency and intensity of media and government criticism of the party - most, although not all of it, bearing little or no relationship to the truth - was even greater under Corbyn's leadership.

 

[west didsblue]

BBC - "The man accused of driving a van into a crowd of people near a north London mosque had hoped to kill Jeremy Corbyn." He also referred to Corbyn as a "terrorist," a remark we could link to Cameron - and practically every single newspaper - calling him a terrorist sympathiser for years on end. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42875216

We could also broaden this discussion beyond Labour party leaders and think about the several cases of people canvassing for Labour in 2019 getting assaulted. Whether or not you supported or voted for Labour back then, it's undeniable that the volume, frequency and intensity of media and government criticism of the party - most, although not all of it, bearing little or no relationship to the truth - was even greater under Corbyn's leadership.

Probably right and I’m probably guilty of being somewhat hypocritical when comparing my attitude to Corbyn compared to my attitude to Starmer. Mainly because I blame him for leading a piss poor opposition when the country needed it most in the run up to Brexit and the 2019 election. He should have gone after losing to May when she was a deeply unpopular PM.

 

[KPXBLN]

Probably right and I’m probably guilty of being somewhat hypocritical when comparing my attitude to Corbyn compared to my attitude to Starmer. Mainly because I blame him for leading a piss poor opposition when the country needed it most in the run up to Brexit and the 2019 election. He should have gone after losing to May when she was a deeply unpopular PM.

As a supporter of his in the two leadership campaigns, albeit one who never thought he was beyond criticism, I think in retrospect ushering in a compromise centre-left successor in summer 2017 would have been a good idea.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Probably right and I’m probably guilty of being somewhat hypocritical when comparing my attitude to Corbyn compared to my attitude to Starmer. Mainly because I blame him for leading a piss poor opposition when the country needed it most in the run up to Brexit and the 2019 election. He should have gone after losing to May when she was a deeply unpopular PM.

He got 40% of the vote. The most of any Labour leader since 1997.

I think this is a bit daft to believe that he should have stepped down at that point. Even Emily Oldhouse and the rest of the saboteurs knew that at the time.

 

[west didsblue]

He got 40% of the vote. The most of any Labour leader since 1997.

I think this is a bit daft to believe that he should have stepped down at that point. Even Emily Oldhouse and the rest of the saboteurs knew that at the time.

After coming second to a deeply unpopular PM who was disliked by nearly everyone he was never going to do better against a bullshitter who half the population thought was great because of his populist pseudo antiestablishment nonsense.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

After coming second to a deeply unpopular PM who was disliked by nearly everyone he was never going to do better against a bullshitter who half the population thought was great because of his populist pseudo antiestablishment nonsense.

True. But it was too late to go at that point. A progessive alliance would have been preferable but groups like the lib dems had no interest in playing their part.

The Brexit PM for the Brexit Boomers and other Brexidiots.

If only we had known Covid was only weeks away at that point the 2019 election might never have happened and Boris would have been forced to share power and would have already been gone by now.

 

[Postman Pep]

 

[KPXBLN]

This is genius

 

[discopop]

Labour are still in civil war, Leader of Newcastle has been de-selected by a pro Corbyn hit squad in his ward due to his close ties to Starmer and other leading lights of the opposition.