Keir Starmer

KnaresboroughBlue said:
Or maybe a coalition government? It seems unlikely but that would be my preferred option as things stand.
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2010-2015 down the history hole?

Effectively a coalition with DUP 2017-19...

Coalitions obviously can work, but in the context of lesser evils, coalition government gave us Hitler as German Chancellor.
 
Vic said:
2010-2015 down the history hole?

Effectively a coalition with DUP 2017-19...

Coalitions obviously can work, but in the context of lesser evils, coalition government gave us Hitler as German Chancellor.
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Indeed it did.

Political compromise is always spelt out by the "moderates", the reasonable folk, as the lesser of whatever.

I'll tell you what political compromise to entrenched power looks like, it's political cowardice and betrayal. It cedes power from the powerless to the powerful or worse to right wing populists. It hands even more power to those consumed by neoliberal fervour, the corporatists, the rentier class, old money establishment, the racists and the tweedy fascists or, as in the case of Johnson, the narcissists. All these fuckers are only too happy to play one group against another, it's what they do, they don't get to rule if they don't.

The Labour Party was born to counter this, the party of comradeship, the natural party of government, you know, for the many not the few, a "broad church", broad enough to prevent one group being played against another.

But of course "broad" is now defined by the fuckwits in here as being nothing more than a narrow pale version of the Tories, and why? Because that is the only variant permissible by the powers that be. Government in this country is either Tory or Tory Lite, that's it, that's the way it's always been and that's the way it'll always be.

Consequently the Labour Party is unfit to govern unless it bends the knee, but bends the knee to what? Rupert Murdoch? Blair ran to Oz to suck that shit stains dick in the run up to 1997 and we got what? The third way landslide! Whoopee! Which led to what precisely? It led to austerity Cameron the heir to Blair, which led to what? The fat fool populist and Brexit, which will lead to what? The far right moron Truss?

But, of course, all this palava is Ed Miliband and Corbyn's fault, and the Labour Party membership of course, they're culpable, but for what you might ask? For the crime of refusing to be "moderate" pale Tories in order to ameliorate the knownothing reactionary arse wipes in here and their compatriots in this green and pleasant food bank of a country.
 
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Vic said:
I'm not having that. Just on mining areas: "the Coalfields Programme under the remit of the HCA has been very successful. It has changed the topography and appearance of many coalfield areas and made them much more attractive for people to live and work in and for investment."


I was a rep on the Board of the North West Coalfield Communities Regeneration Programme, which allocated £30m over 7 years to community projects from Manchester to Workington. A lot of EU money in that, via the Regional Development Agency.

The RDAs of course were abolished by the coalition government, and money then funnelled through Local Economic Partnerships. But Austerity Two is already here: LEPs have been thanked "for the invaluable contribution that LEPs make to their local economies" and "the importance of a continuing strong and influential business voice in local economic policy making". Now Ministers say that they want LEPs to be fully integrated into Combined Authorities in areas that have them (eg Manchester, Liverpool, West Yorkshire etc) and for LEPs to work even more closely with local authorities in other areas. Then the kicker: "A very tight spending settlement for BEIS – the department for business – means that core funding for LEPs is being reduced by 25% and for Growth Hubs by 50%."
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It wasn't just coalfield commuinties wrecked and split up toough, and I am sure this charitable trust has done wonderful things to help communities.

But overall not enough was done to help places regenerate from the post industrial era, a failing of new labour and tories.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
Indeed it did.

Political compromise is always spelt out by the "moderates", the reasonable folk, as the lesser of whatever.

I'll tell you what political compromise to entrenched power looks like, it's political cowardice and betrayal. It cedes power from the powerless to the powerful or worse to right wing populists. It hands even more power to those consumed by neoliberal fervour, the corporatists, the rentier class, old money establishment, the racists and the tweedy fascists or, as in the case of Johnson, the narcissists. All these fuckers are only too happy to play one group against another, it's what they do, they don't get to rule if they don't.

The Labour Party was born to counter this, the party of comradeship, the natural party of government, you know, for the many not the few, a "broad church", broad enough to prevent one group being played against another.

But of course "broad" is now defined by the fuckwits in here as being nothing more than a narrow pale version of the Tories, and why? Because that is the only variant permissible by the powers that be. Government in this country is either Tory or Tory Lite, that's it, that's the way it's always been and that's the way it'll always be.

Consequently the Labour Party is unfit to govern unless it bends the knee, but bends the knee to what? Rupert Murdoch? Blair ran to Oz to suck that shit stains dick in the run up to 1997 and we got what? The third way landslide! Whoopee! Which led to what precisely? It led to austerity Cameron the heir to Blair, which led to what? The fat fool populist and Brexit, which will lead to what? The far right moron Truss?

But, of course, all this palava is Ed Miliband and Corbyn's fault, and the Labour Party membership of course, they're culpable, but for what you might ask? For the crime of refusing to be "moderate" pale Tories in order to ameliorate the knownothing reactionary arse wipes in here and their compatriots in this green and pleasant food bank of a country.
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Yeah, but it's a pity about those pesky voters. If they were "the many", you'd have what you want. What we both want actually, but it sounds like you don't go knocking much on voters' doors, trying to win friends and influence people.
 
Vic said:
2010-2015 down the history hole?

Effectively a coalition with DUP 2017-19...

Coalitions obviously can work, but in the context of lesser evils, coalition government gave us Hitler as German Chancellor.
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Of course there are bad examples as well as good. It would still be my preferred (realistic) outcome though, given the current situation.
 
urban genie said:
It wasn't just coalfield commuinties wrwcked and split up tgough, and I am sure this charitable trust has done wonderful things to help communities.

But overall not enough was done to help places regenerate from the post industrial era, a failing of new labour and tories.
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Read the report, which highlights the particular problems of communities dependent on one industry when that industry collapses. And you've confused the NW body (local authority led, spending largely EU money) with the Coalfields Regeneration Trust (which was funded by government till 2015, but I don't know how they ended up with £47m investments, mostly property).
 
The perfect fumble said:
Indeed it did.

Political compromise is always spelt out by the "moderates", the reasonable folk, as the lesser of whatever.

I'll tell you what political compromise to entrenched power looks like, it's political cowardice and betrayal. It cedes power from the powerless to the powerful or worse to right wing populists. It hands even more power to those consumed by neoliberal fervour, the corporatists, the rentier class, old money establishment, the racists and the tweedy fascists or, as in the case of Johnson, the narcissists. All these fuckers are only too happy to play one group against another, it's what they do, they don't get to rule if they don't.

The Labour Party was born to counter this, the party of comradeship, the natural party of government, you know, for the many not the few, a "broad church", broad enough to prevent one group being played against another.

But of course "broad" is now defined by the fuckwits in here as being nothing more than a narrow pale version of the Tories, and why? Because that is the only variant permissible by the powers that be. Government in this country is either Tory or Tory Lite, that's it, that's the way it's always been and that's the way it'll always be.

Consequently the Labour Party is unfit to govern unless it bends the knee, but bends the knee to what? Rupert Murdoch? Blair ran to Oz to suck that shit stains dick in the run up to 1997 and we got what? The third way landslide! Whoopee! Which led to what precisely? It led to austerity Cameron the heir to Blair, which led to what? The fat fool populist and Brexit, which will lead to what? The far right moron Truss?

But, of course, all this palava is Ed Miliband and Corbyn's fault, and the Labour Party membership of course, they're culpable, but for what you might ask? For the crime of refusing to be "moderate" pale Tories in order to ameliorate the knownothing reactionary arse wipes in here and their compatriots in this green and pleasant food bank of a country.
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Spot on. I wonder if we'll ever wake up to the truth that we've actually been governed by Rupert Murdoch for decades?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Spot on. I wonder if we'll ever wake up to the truth that we've actually been governed by Rupert Murdoch for decades?
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A handful of the worlds billionaires dictate policy across much of the globe and it isn’t for the benefit of the majority sadly.

It’s an amazing coincidence that everything that negatively affects the lives of billions of us just makes them richer.

Go figure.
 
domalino said:
This thread is such a great reminder of why we have had 12 years of Conservative rule.


I just wonder where this country will be by the time some of you wake up and realise that the only thing that matters is getting these conservatives out.
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So true. It's been this way for most of the last 40 years. I think the far-left of the Labour Party are quite happy with things as they are. This way they don't actually have to enact some of their ditzier policies and see them instantly fail. They're cowards.
 
The best way of guaranteeing another 10 years of Tory rule is for Labour to turn in on itself and have internal division.

The Tories know that, and will exploit it at every opportunity.

Don't let them.
 
Shaelumstash said:
The best way of guaranteeing another 10 years of Tory rule is for Labour to turn in on itself and have internal division.

The Tories know that, and will exploit it at every opportunity.

Don't let them.
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The tories don't need to exploit anything, Labour supporters have preferred fighting each other to the conservatives for 25 years.
 
Sacking his own shadow transport secretary for supporting the union that founded labour - a new low in his unprincipled pursuit of power. This, added to the Stalinist purge of the left and his cynical abandonment of his ten pledges will hopefully do for him. Up to now I would have subscribed to the anyone but the Tories argument, but this bloke although less shambolic, is as personally and politically as dishonest as Boris.
 
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