Keir Starmer

domalino said:
The tories don't need to exploit anything, Labour supporters have preferred fighting each other to the conservatives for 25 years.
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I agree Labour supporters have been fighting each other for the last 25 years.

But I think you're being naive if you think the Tories haven't / won't exploit that.

My whole point is that Labour needs to accept internal differences, compromise, and present a united front in order to win.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I agree Labour supporters have been fighting each other for the last 25 years.

But I think you're being naive if you think the Tories haven't / won't exploit that.

My whole point is that Labour needs to accept internal differences, compromise, and present a united front in order to win.
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Nothing to say about the leader sacking a shadow minister for standing on a picket line ?

How does that square with your last paragraph ?
 
Well done Keir Starmer leader of the Labour Party who with this afternoon's sacking has secured my votes from now on.................for the LD's
 
Bigga said:
I'm just wondering if this whole "internal division" argument was prominent under Corbyn leadership...?

No? Interesting...
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If Corbyn reflects your values, fair play to you. I totally accept your right to hold those values.

The best way to have those values (or close to them) in government is for Labour to win the next election.
 
There’s a move by some supporters on Twitter to get rid of Starmer. Not sure how that can be made to happen but I’ll carry on with the theory. Only one name put forward to date, Andy Burnham. A person from Manchester instantly responded with no! We didn’t want him, he’s not the person you think he is, ask anyone from Manchester. What do people on here think?
 
Postman Pep said:
Nothing to say about the leader sacking a shadow minister for standing on a picket line ?

How does that square with your last paragraph ?
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I think it's wrong and he should be supporting them.

He should also be expressing concern about what Kwataeng is doing and what Truss has said about strikes.

I think he's treading very carefully at the moment because he has a lead in the polls and he's being overly cautious to not negatively affect that.

I would be bolder, and I wish he would be.

But I come back to - who is going to be better for workers and their ability to strike - Kier Starmer or Liz Truss?

I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that it would be Kier Starmer.

This Tory government is teetering on the edge between bumbling incompetence and dangerous authoritarianism.

It has to be stopped, and I'm willing to overlook the disagreements I have with Starmer's approach in the short term, because I disagree much more vehemently with the Tories approach.
 
roypaulknewmyfather said:
There’s a move by some supporters on Twitter to get rid of Starmer. Not sure how that can be made to happen but I’ll carry on with the theory. Only one name put forward to date, Andy Burnham. A person from Manchester instantly responded with no! We didn’t want him, he’s not the person you think he is, ask anyone from Manchester. What do people on here think?
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People on twitter generally talk shite

Listen to radio Manchesters Burnham phone ins, loads call up moaning about the stupidests things a metro mayor doesn't deal with
 
Shaelumstash said:
If Corbyn reflects your values, fair play to you. I totally accept your right to hold those values.

The best way to have those values (or close to them) in government is for Labour to win the next election.
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You need to accept your hopes of a little bit less shit isn't going to get everybody giddy. By voting for this you automatically give consent. You are adding to a number that can be used as justification.

I heard him yesterday say nationalisation of certain industries was no longer a priority due to debt and having to grow the economy.

I'm not a Labour supporter but he's sounding more Tory wet by the day.
 
roypaulknewmyfather said:
There’s a move by some supporters on Twitter to get rid of Starmer. Not sure how that can be made to happen but I’ll carry on with the theory. Only one name put forward to date, Andy Burnham. A person from Manchester instantly responded with no! We didn’t want him, he’s not the person you think he is, ask anyone from Manchester. What do people on here think?
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Burnham is a great communicator and has the ability to cut through.

He would probably poll better than Starmer (definitely in the north), and I certainly think he'd be a very useful cabinet member.

But I'm not sure he'd attract as many swing voters as Starmer, particularly in the south.

In terms of his record in Manchester, he's had a very tough act to follow from Howard Bernstein and David Leese, who did an incredible job before him.

His landmark scheme has been the congestion zone which was launched to much fanfare and looks like it's being quietly scrapped. The timing has been a disaster for him, which is not his fault.

He seems like a decent, well intentioned bloke with his heart in the right space. And he's a good communicator. But I'm not sure he has the strategic nouse to out-manoeuvre the Tories.
 
hilts said:
You need to accept your hopes of a little bit less shit isn't going to get everybody giddy. By voting for this you automatically give consent. You are adding to a number that can be used as justification.

I heard him yesterday say nationalisation of certain industries was no longer a priority due to debt and having to grow the economy.

I'm not a Labour supporter but he's sounding more Tory wet by the day.
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I don't think Starmer would be "a little less shit" than Truss.

I think Truss would be an unmitigated disaster, and a dangerous one at that.

Starmer would be capable, level-headed, progressive leader and would make the country a better, fairer place.

But that doesn't mean I agree with absolutely everything he's ever said or done.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I think it's wrong and he should be supporting them.

He should also be expressing concern about what Kwataeng is doing and what Truss has said about strikes.

I think he's treading very carefully at the moment because he has a lead in the polls and he's being overly cautious to not negatively affect that.

I would be bolder, and I wish he would be.

But I come back to - who is going to be better for workers and their ability to strike - Kier Starmer or Liz Truss?

I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that it would be Kier Starmer.

This Tory government is teetering on the edge between bumbling incompetence and dangerous authoritarianism.

It has to be stopped, and I'm willing to overlook the disagreements I happroach in the short term, because I disagree much more vehemently with the Tories approach.
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#Vote Labour for marginally less shit in your rivers......
 
Shaelumstash said:
I don't think Starmer would be "a little less shit" than Truss.

I think Truss would be an unmitigated disaster, and a dangerous one at that.

Starmer would be capable, level-headed, progressive leader and would make the country a better, fairer place.

But that doesn't mean I agree with absolutely everything he's ever said or done.
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Well you vote for him and I won't and we will get who we were gonna get anyhow.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I don't think Starmer would be "a little less shit" than Truss.

I think Truss would be an unmitigated disaster, and a dangerous one at that.

Starmer would be capable, level-headed, progressive leader and would make the country a better, fairer place.

But that doesn't mean I agree with absolutely everything he's ever said or done.
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Starmer is another cameron, he belives in austerity to solve the economic crisis and close ties with private investment to service the public sector.

What was the bollocks he came out with yesterday, there is no ability for wage growth until the economy grows.

He is a neo liberals wet dream
 
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