Keir Starmer

I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m trying to work out what he can actually do to help.

Short of paying everyone’s first £4K of their bills, how does he apply pressure when Parliament is out and the PM is on gardening leave.

By announcing exactly what Labour under him would do today if In power.

If that’s nationalise the sector and supply at not for profit then great.

If it’s a massive tax on the energy companies with the revenue used to subsidise bills, great.

Just anything, something, please, tell us what political alternative we could have?
 
By announcing exactly what Labour under him would do today if In power.

If that’s nationalise the sector and supply at not for profit then great.

If it’s a massive tax on the energy companies with the revenue used to subsidise bills, great.

Just anything, something, please, tell us what political alternative we could have?
Which would be great in the medium to long term, but dismissed in the here and now.
 
Starmer should be gone after the ford report, and the reason he's not saying anything is because he is just as keen to protect corporate profit at the expense of consumer poverty as the Tories.
 
Labour doesn’t need to be Tory.

Economically it needs to offer centre left policy which appeals to the vast majority.

That’s the easy bit.

It’s real struggle is becoming socially centre right and showing the voting millions it’s grown up and won’t pander to what is seen as the woke, looney left and their mad ideas on what society should look like and behave.
 

Then you're too young to remember the late 70s.

I've got to get my act together to get to the match, so in brief what is being proposed now is an ad hoc pricing and incomes policy, coz we're heading towards can't pay won't pay country.

A windfall tax on energy company profits handed to those who can't pay their bills, coupled with government procrastination on wage restraint, is an amateur hour pricing and incomes policy in everything but name.
 
Then you're too young to remember the late 70s.

I've got to get my act together to get to the match, so in brief what is being proposed now is an ad hoc pricing and incomes policy, coz we're heading towards can't pay won't pay country.

A windfall tax on energy company profits handed to those who can't pay their bills, coupled with government procrastination on wage restraint, is an amateur hour pricing and incomes policy in everything but name.
I‘m struggling to see how it’s implemented. I can see the concept, but not how it happens before a GE.
 
I‘m struggling to see how it’s implemented. I can see the concept, but not how it happens before a GE.

It could be done very quickly, but Truss won't do it unless she's forced to. If sufficient numbers don't pay, numbers too large for folk to be picked off individually and especially if there are riots, things can move fast in all sorts of directions.
 
I‘m struggling to see how it’s implemented. I can see the concept, but not how it happens before a GE.
I'm struggling to see how anyone can pay a utility bill that increases 400% in very short time at a time when inflationary pressures are hitting almost everything. Has anyone on here read or listened to a comprehensive and detailed explanation as to why this is happening, how long it is likely to last and what potential solutions there are to mitigate and resolve these increases, because I haven't.
 
It could be done very quickly, but Truss won't do it unless she's forced to. If sufficient numbers don't pay, numbers too large for folk to be picked off individually and especially if there are riots, things can move fast in all sorts of directions.
I’d worked through the permutations and got to the Tories seeing the plan and ignoring it.

People won‘t be able to pay and riots will likely happen.

Maybe then it gets implemented. It won’t be because of Labour suggesting it though, which brings me back full circle to wondering what Starmer can actually do.
 
I'm struggling to see how anyone can pay a utility bill that increases 400% in very short time at a time when inflationary pressures are hitting almost everything. Has anyone on here read or listened to a comprehensive and detailed explanation as to why this is happening, how long it is likely to last and what potential solutions there are to mitigate and resolve these increases, because I haven't.
I don’t think anyone can say for sure why it’s happening 396% more than France etc.

I‘m not really sure how it can have spiralled so fast without regulation.
 
I’d worked through the permutations and got to the Tories seeing the plan and ignoring it.

People won‘t be able to pay and riots will likely happen.

Maybe then it gets implemented. It won’t be because of Labour suggesting it though, which brings me back full circle to wondering what Starmer can actually do.

Starmer can do nothing.

To quote Napoleon....

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
 
I‘m struggling to see how it’s implemented. I can see the concept, but not how it happens before a GE.
At this time a GE point score is the last thing any politician should be caring about, stopping people from completely going under and an economic catastrophe deepening should be the only priority
 
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I don’t think anyone can say for sure why it’s happening 396% more than France etc.

I‘m not really sure how it can have spiralled so fast without regulation.
France as with many coutries own or part own their energy companies and regulate them, they tax them and cap them and in a crisis will, instead of subsidising them or offering them easy options like a windfall tax, will make them absorb the cost or set tariffs to aid it's citizens.

We preserve with the notion all these businesses are privately owned public services who will do whats right and ignore them or claim to have no way of stopping them as they profiteer
 
I don’t think anyone can say for sure why it’s happening 396% more than France etc.

I‘m not really sure how it can have spiralled so fast without regulation.
They could if someone could be arsed doing the proper analysis work to find out. Am I correct in saying EDF is mainly state owned and will be fully nationalised shortly? That might be one reason. What are the root causes though - we are told the war in Ukraine is a main factor but the UK only got a small % of its gas from that source. So what is it that seems to be putting up prices every bloody month. We deserve a better and more detailed explanation than we are getting. Just pay up and shut up seems to be the mantra.
 

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