Keir Starmer

The Future’s Blue! said:
It’s astonishing the time it’s took to turn this around, the media basically left Labour 6 foot under and most commentators said that it would take many years, even a generation, for them to come back.

Would he have been there without how the Tories have been?

Does it matter.
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Re would they be there if tories were in a decent state. I would suggest the tories were equally hapless under May and BJ. BJ pushed more chaos into a general election and then sold his BS brexit to win a big vote, but the truth would always come out and covid or no covid BJ would have sunk in a spiral of spin and failed economics in the end. The Labour Party have been searching for a purpose post Gordon Brown. But they didn't need a different purpose - they just needed credibility.

Bigga said:
"Loony left" is such a right winged trope.

At the minute there are different versions of the 'left'.

'Traditional'- Your Foots, Kinnocks, Corbyns.

'Modern'- late version of Blair and Starmer.

Bearing in mind one version is fighting for people/ workers and their rights whilst the other bends their knee to corporation power and war big business.

Only one can be 'loony', so which is it?
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The loonies are the ones who ignore the fact you need to appeal to the broadest spectrum of voters to win an election. And if you don't win then you can do very little for people / workers who suffer under tory rule.
 
Gaudion M said:
The loonies are the ones who ignore the fact you need to appeal to the broadest spectrum of voters to win an election. And if you don't win then you can do very little for people / workers who suffer under tory rule.
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So, would you agree that the MSM tipped the scale on where we are now with the politically salacious reporting of tying Corbyn to antisemitism and 'unworkable' policies?

I find less actual investigative and credible reporting, these days, where there is a neutral and factual position.
 
Bigga said:
So, would you agree that the MSM tipped the scale on where we are now with the politically salacious reporting of tying Corbyn to antisemitism and 'unworkable' policies?

I find less actual investigative and credible reporting, these days, where there is a neutral and factual position.
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The wall of silence that followed both the forde report and the labour files compared to the noise over the last week tells you all you need about our media.

This is worth a read

www.middleeasteye.net

Labour: Starmer is paving the way for the triumph of dark politics

By waging an all-out war on the left and its ideas, the Labour leader is strangling hope of change in a time of crisis and risks driving voters towards right-wing authoritarians
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
 
Postman Pep said:
The wall of silence that followed both the forde report and the labour files compared to the noise over the last week tells you all you need about our media.

This is worth a read

www.middleeasteye.net

Labour: Starmer is paving the way for the triumph of dark politics

By waging an all-out war on the left and its ideas, the Labour leader is strangling hope of change in a time of crisis and risks driving voters towards right-wing authoritarians
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
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He's not wrong.

If the only voice for the working class is fascism he may well be facilitating it by trying to be a Blair clone without the charisma.
 
Bigga said:
What a joker!

If it didn't matter, why did the MSM weigh down the scales on Corbyn politics?

Remember when McDonnell proposed the 4 day working week as work/ life balance and a boost in productivity and it was laughed at?

Lo and behold recent studies with company participants are seeing this as factual. Some taking it on, some doing extended research on it and some still not convinced.

Former labour leadership looking to make life better for the working class versus new leaders doing what...?
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And, the world moves on.
 
Postman Pep said:
The wall of silence that followed both the forde report and the labour files compared to the noise over the last week tells you all you need about our media.

This is worth a read

www.middleeasteye.net

Labour: Starmer is paving the way for the triumph of dark politics

By waging an all-out war on the left and its ideas, the Labour leader is strangling hope of change in a time of crisis and risks driving voters towards right-wing authoritarians
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
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Is that another story from the Corbyn supporting Qatar media?

The equivalent Mail/Sun for the left wing.
 
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Fuck selecting locals that understand their constituents needs and issues. Just parachute my mates from university in there who have no understanding of the world apart from what they read for their politics degree.

The shit Tony Blair act continues.
 
TinFoilHat said:
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Fuck selecting locals that understand their constituents needs and issues. Just parachute my mates from university in there who have no understanding of the world apart from what they read for their politics degree.

The shit Tony Blair act continues.
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Not the first prospective candidate with the Tony Blair institute on their CV.



 
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