Keir Starmer

[BobKowalski]

The interesting thing about all this is no one actually seems to be able to come up with anything positive to say about Starmer and labour beyond him being not as bad as Sunak & co.
This is true and exactly why he'll get my vote, but his offer is very much Cameron 2010 rather than Blair 97 which some seem to hope.
I also think he will inherit an economic poison chalice through no fault of his own and sadly will be nothing more than a custodian of austerity until out of frustration the public return the rebranded Tories after one term. All very sad really.

I expect Labour under Starmer to start working towards a better trading relationship with the EU, doing a SPS deal for starters, harmonising regs, and all these extra border controls that the Tories keep pushing back will disappear for good.

I expect a greater investment in infrastructure public services, social care and the NHS. I expect more competence, less ideology and a winding down of culture wars.

Above all, I am tired of intensely stupid people with insanely stupid ideas being in Govt. I think we have had our fill of stupid.

So, it is incorrect to say I have no positive take on Starmer or Labour.

 

[Jamshopbridge]

What WestClown and 'Bob' are; centrist, vanilla wanting similar type of gov just slightly nicer smiles.

Can't do this, can't do that whilst okay with big business paying low taxes whilst Gov screwing hard working lower paid citizens and undercutting and privatising the NHS.

Don't be a shitlib.

Why the hostility towards Starmer and Labour? Are they neoliberal?
Are the Tories neoliberal?

Not looking to pick a fight, I'm confused by this.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I expect Labour under Starmer to start working towards a better trading relationship with the EU, doing a SPS deal for starters, harmonising regs, and all these extra border controls that the Tories keep pushing back will disappear for good.

I expect a greater investment in infrastructure public services, social care and the NHS. I expect more competence, less ideology and a winding down of culture wars.

Above all, I am tired of intensely stupid people with insanely stupid ideas being in Govt. I think we have had our fill of stupid.

So, it is incorrect to say I have no positive take on Starmer or Labour.

Fair enough, I hope you are proven right

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

But that's not actually true, though, is it?

Often we're left with a 'final choice', much like when City are excluded from the conversation of greatest Prem side cos we're purged from the option by those with a narrative to force through, creating a false position of option to vote for.

In terms of what will be on the ballot paper in the next ge though, what choice is there other than Tory/Labour or essentially a protest vote of no significance unless you are in a marginal constituency?

 

[Bigga]

Why the hostility towards Starmer and Labour? Are they neoliberal?
Are the Tories neoliberal?

Not looking to pick a fight, I'm confused by this.

You're confused because Starmer's Labour and the current Tories are not too dissimilar in policies; just one has made a total fuck up of the similar policies of which there may be degrees of separation.

Thus neolib and neocon have a venn connection as to why they blur policies.

You could go back less than 10 pages to see Starmer's lies on his own policies and yet the actual shitlibs on here are quick to denounce the lies of Johnson.

Ironic, really!

 

[BobKowalski]

To expand, what I would like from Labour (or indeed anyone), is to rejoin or at least realign fully with the rest of Europe/EU. I think we should be discussing/exploring Universal Basic Income, a four day week and an end to demonising the poor for the crime of being poor - we still have a workhouse culture. On a similar note, our penal system is dragged down by what seems to be 19th century thinking.

I think it is absurd and unhealthy that we pick our politicians, media, law and education from a very narrow class of people. We have a narrow, almost uniform elite thinking which suffers from a lack of diversity in class as well as racial - in some ways the class barrier is more pervasive.

And no, I don’t expect Starmer to do much of this if Labour are returned to office. But I do expect them to do better overall and do it more competently.

 

[woody1968]

The interesting thing about all this is no one actually seems to be able to come up with anything positive to say about Starmer and labour beyond him being not as bad as Sunak & co.
This is true and exactly why he'll get my vote, but his offer is very much Cameron 2010 rather than Blair 97 which some seem to hope.
I also think he will inherit an economic poison chalice through no fault of his own and sadly will be nothing more than a custodian of austerity until out of frustration the public return the rebranded Tories after one term. All very sad really.

Spot on - As much as I hate the Tories and what they’ve done Starmer just leaves me cold, I’m just not convinced he is strong enough. Add to that the absolute shit show he will inherit and it all looks like a catastrophe waiting to happen. Reality is the country is in dire straits and I don’t really see anyone anywhere, with the exception of Gordon Brown who is now too old, who could steer us through these troubled waters.

 

[Bigga]

In terms of what will be on the ballot paper in the next ge though, what choice is there other than Tory/Labour or essentially a protest vote of no significance unless you are in a marginal constituency?

Well, that's the difficult bit, isn't it?

It's like the MUEN choosing the Scum to represent Manchester as the 'greatest club ever' argument with the Dippers when we know there's a team that actually represents us, in most forms, excluded from the conversation.

Would you choose The Scum over the Dippers in that scenario?

 

[BobKowalski]

I would also renationalise the railways and water services. We need decent public transport and infrastructure. The rate we are going we will be the only European nation without any high speed rail connections let alone a first rate one.

Our approach to investment in our infrastructure is too short term and short sighted.

 

[Jamshopbridge]

You're confused because Starmer's Labour and the current Tories are not too dissimilar in policies; just one has made a total fuck up of the similar policies of which there may be degrees of separation.

Thus neolib and neocon have a venn connection as to why they blur policies.

You could go back less than 10 pages to see Starmer's lies on his own policies and yet the actual shitlibs on here are quick to denounce the lies of Johnson.

Ironic, really!

Thanks Bigga. I've just been reading up on Neoliberalism and I get what you're saying. But
I've seen enough of Johnsons lies and after experiencing the awful consequences of 13 years of Tory rule I dont think I'll be voting Conservative in the next General Election.
Thanks anyway. CTID