Keir Starmer

[west didsblue]

I think he’ll be more radical than many people think but knows that anything too radical said now gives the Tories ammunition to use “magic money tree” bollocks in response to promises made now. His priority is to be seen as not corrupt and not to scare off the socially conservative vote that have kept the Tories in power for 13 years but have finally realised that the government are useless. He will have calculated that the vast majority of Labour’s core support will vote for them anyway so pissing off a significant proportion of them now is a risk worth taking when looking at the bigger picture. Once in power I think things could look very different.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well, Rees Mogg et al will be re elected then if that's the criteria.

Haha. I think he's been sussed don't you?

 

[joe123]

I think he’ll be more radical than many people think but knows that anything too radical said now gives the Tories ammunition to use “magic money tree” bollocks in response to promises made now. His priority is to be seen as not corrupt and not to scare off the socially conservative vote that have kept the Tories in power for 13 years but have finally realised that the government are useless. He will have calculated that the vast majority of Labour’s core support will vote for them anyway so pissing off a significant proportion of them now is a risk worth taking when looking at the bigger picture. Once in power I think things could look very different.

I hope you're right. I get the impression he's of the mindset not to lose the next election, as opposed to going out and winning it (if that makes sense).

 

[mosssideblue]

Haha. I think he's been sussed don't you?

Of course, but I labelled him as he fitted your criteria of oration over competence

 

[mosssideblue]

I hope you're right. I get the impression he's of the mindset not to lose the next election, as opposed to going out and winning it (if that makes sense).

Not bothered how he does it as long as it rids us of the Tories

 

[Don Karleone]

Lying politicians are quite good now.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Of course, but I labelled him as he fitted your criteria of oration over competence

Well I think its important for the opposition to be electable first, otherwise you will never get to see their ideas at work. Look at Milliband got a bad press but never came across that well either and wasn't really electable.

 

[Hoghead]

I think he’ll be more radical than many people think but knows that anything too radical said now gives the Tories ammunition to use “magic money tree” bollocks in response to promises made now. His priority is to be seen as not corrupt and not to scare off the socially conservative vote that have kept the Tories in power for 13 years but have finally realised that the government are useless. He will have calculated that the vast majority of Labour’s core support will vote for them anyway so pissing off a significant proportion of them now is a risk worth taking when looking at the bigger picture. Once in power I think things could look very different.

So what you are saying is that it is okay to lie to get into power?
I thought one of Starmers keystones was integrity.

 

[west didsblue]

So what you are saying is that it is okay to lie to get into power?
I thought one of Starmers keystones was integrity.

It’s more about saying as little as possible about what they’re going to do and drawing attention to the government’s shambolic record. Not what most people want to hear admittedly but it’s presumably targeted at the part of the electorate that can swing the election rather than their core support.

 

[meltonblue]

I’m not averse to him changing his pledges, particularly before a manifesto has been created tbh. I’d be more concerned if they didn’t in the current climate tbh.

Doesn’t mean I agree with him about this pledge specifically though.