Keir Starmer

[Rascal]

I do wonder how people have been looked after over the years, ie. did Rasc feel better served personally under Thatcher or Blair, Blair or Cameron, Cameron or May, etc?

Since Thatcher all we have had is neo-liberalism from whoever is in power. So none have served my views any better than any other.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Twitter full of socialists losing their minds over Rachel Riley's MBE.

Every single one of them talks the vague conspiratorial nonsense and makes hilariously overblown claims. It has become an alternate reality, exactly like RW'ers in the US. In particular, it's about this person, that person. She did down Corbyn. She did down Loach. Socialism, the Labour party messed with the politics of personality, using Social Media to rehash the same old tricks. Putting up idols, exactly as Toryism messed with Boris and the personalities surrounding Brexit. I mean.... the posts are always about restoring male figures. Always. The bias comes pouring out, despite ideology. That's the truth about such regressive and idiotic political trends. They seek to preserve the state of ignorance of what we humans are, in order to harness it.

You aren't the idealist you think you are. Your neighbour isn't. You can't be, they can't be. That's not how we are. It's how we might like to dress it up, but the only reason the illusion lasts is our incredible ability for hypocrisy and hiding the truth from ourselves and each other. Whatever your noble motive, it won't survive the real world. It never, ever does.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Put it another way, the most popular tweet, calls it the day common sense died.

You can't get a more textbook example of reactionary rhetoric.

The impression is that socialists in this country require a head check, and the movement needs a rethink.

It isn't convincing.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Since Thatcher all we have had is neo-liberalism from whoever is in power. So none have served my views any better than any other.

Did you think your views will ever be served, or have been in the past?

 

[Rascal]

Did you think your views will ever be served, or have been in the past?

As you used "did" rather than "do" , i will say yes i did hope that Blair would be brilliant but what a let down, I did see my hopes being realised under Corbyn, but sadly he was undermined. As for "do" the hope has gone, as for "did" they were served before I was born by Atlee et al and i was raised in a decent social democracy rather than the neo liberal hell hole we now inhabit.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Twitter full of socialists losing their minds over Rachel Riley's MBE.

Every single one of them talks the vague conspiratorial nonsense and makes hilariously overblown claims. It has become an alternate reality, exactly like RW'ers in the US. In particular, it's about this person, that person. She did down Corbyn. She did down Loach. Socialism, the Labour party messed with the politics of personality, using Social Media to rehash the same old tricks. Putting up idols, exactly as Toryism messed with Boris and the personalities surrounding Brexit. I mean.... the posts are always about restoring male figures. Always. The bias comes pouring out, despite ideology. That's the truth about such regressive and idiotic political trends. They seek to preserve the state of ignorance of what we humans are, in order to harness it.

You aren't the idealist you think you are. Your neighbour isn't. You can't be, they can't be. That's not how we are. It's how we might like to dress it up, but the only reason the illusion lasts is our incredible ability for hypocrisy and hiding the truth from ourselves and each other. Whatever your noble motive, it won't survive the real world. It never, ever does.

It's only an MBE, they give them out like sweets.

 

[Rascal]

Twitter full of socialists losing their minds over Rachel Riley's MBE.

Every single one of them talks the vague conspiratorial nonsense and makes hilariously overblown claims. It has become an alternate reality, exactly like RW'ers in the US. In particular, it's about this person, that person. She did down Corbyn. She did down Loach. Socialism, the Labour party messed with the politics of personality, using Social Media to rehash the same old tricks. Putting up idols, exactly as Toryism messed with Boris and the personalities surrounding Brexit. I mean.... the posts are always about restoring male figures. Always. The bias comes pouring out, despite ideology. That's the truth about such regressive and idiotic political trends. They seek to preserve the state of ignorance of what we humans are, in order to harness it.

You aren't the idealist you think you are. Your neighbour isn't. You can't be, they can't be. That's not how we are. It's how we might like to dress it up, but the only reason the illusion lasts is our incredible ability for hypocrisy and hiding the truth from ourselves and each other. Whatever your noble motive, it won't survive the real world. It never, ever does.

Oh No! not the Socialist twitterati

I would in practice be against Riley getting an MBE because I think the whole honours system is a complete load of bollox that just serves to reinforce the deferential society we live in. Riley is great though on Cats do Countdown, worthy of a gong get to fuck, my mam was more worthy

As for the rest of your wildly incoherent rant, i suggest you go and lie down pal.

 

[Rascal]

Put it another way, the most popular tweet, calls it the day common sense died.

You can't get a more textbook example of reactionary rhetoric.

The impression is that socialists in this country require a head check, and the movement needs a rethink.

It isn't convincing.

Go and lie down, twitter is not real life, it is a platform for reactionary bullshit.

 

[Postman Pep]

Make it happen Keith will be funny as fuck.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Make it happen Keith will be funny as fuck.

Worth it to see that windy idiot get humiliated.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Has he won yet?

 

[urban genie]

ToryK not really letting him always answer
however he is dodgimg many answers with the word growth and no policy till closer to the election to answer.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Bizarre that Leadsom's first gripe is about Just Stop Oil, and then bleating that Labour voted against the govt. If that's the worst she could come up with, it's quite the non-statement.

I don't really see how any pledges on future spending are worth making - the economic conditions in 18 months time could be anything, and announcements would be an open goal to have them made more difficult by the govt.
Thought he dealt pretty well (unsurprisingly) with the regular interjections.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Very underwhelming from Starmer, and he was extremely uncomfortable when asked basic questions which he knew he was going to be presented with.

Anyone can make glib aspirations around growth and reform, but there’s very little behind it, even allowing for the restrictions presented by the cost of borrowing. I suspect he’ll struggle to keep his party happy if he wins.

It was amusing to see how poor that panel was, though. In fact they almost did the impossible in making Leadsom look good. That knob from the silly website was terrible, but not half as bad as Sharon White.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Very underwhelming from Starmer, and he was extremely uncomfortable when asked basic questions which he knew he was going to be presented with.

Anyone can make glib aspirations around growth and reform, but there’s very little behind it, even allowing for the restrictions presented by the cost of borrowing. I suspect he’ll struggle to keep his party happy if he wins.

It was amusing to see how poor that panel was, though. In fact they almost did the impossible in making Leadsom look good. That knob from the silly website was terrible, but not half as bad as Sharon White.

The depressing thing is that without a vision for any change he'll just be stuck dealing with the shit economic hand he's been dealt and will probably only last a term due to the frustration/anger of the public with the lack of change - enter the Tories for more of the same shit.
I actually think the best thing Starmer could do with his time in downing st is to introduce electoral reform / pr. Won't happen though.

 

[Brewster's millions]

The depressing thing is that without a vision for any change he'll just be stuck dealing with the shit economic hand he's been dealt and will probably only last a term due to the frustration/anger of the public with the lack of change - enter the Tories for more of the same shit.
I actually think the best thing Starmer could do with his time in downing st is to introduce electoral reform / pr. Won't happen though.

He might get lucky on the economy, and if the Bank of England starts cutting rates that will give him a bit of cash to play with. But I suspect he’ll struggle to keep a lid on things internally, particularly if he tries some serious changes within the NHS.

He will also have to come up with a much better example of how he reformed the CPS than the paper stuff. He sounded like a bit of a dick when he started talking about that to be honest.

 

[urban genie]

Very underwhelming from Starmer, and he was extremely uncomfortable when asked basic questions which he knew he was going to be presented with.

Anyone can make glib aspirations around growth and reform, but there’s very little behind it, even allowing for the restrictions presented by the cost of borrowing. I suspect he’ll struggle to keep his party happy if he wins.

It was amusing to see how poor that panel was, though. In fact they almost did the impossible in making Leadsom look good. That knob from the silly website was terrible, but not half as bad as Sharon White.

Leadsom soumding like the reactionary fuckwit she has always been focusimg on just stop oil not the important part of tge interviee he skirted

I suspect you wasn't impressed with the bloke because he espoused ideas you disagree with rather his performance

agreed Sharon White was bobbins she ain't gonna solve the John Lewis going bust problem came across badly

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I'm convinced Starmer won't stay in power long. If he gets it that is.

We've just been through the most damaging time for the tories and Starmer hasn't capitalised on that as much as they could.

But I do think Raynor would take the party and country by storm. She's somewhere in between starmer and Corbyn. But she's a mile away from the career eton twats that have fucked everything up.

 

[urban genie]

The depressing thing is that without a vision for any change he'll just be stuck dealing with the shit economic hand he's been dealt and will probably only last a term due to the frustration/anger of the public with the lack of change - enter the Tories for more of the same shit.
I actually think the best thing Starmer could do with his time in downing st is to introduce electoral reform / pr. Won't happen though.

The problem is his whole focus is on not being like the party from 2019, which had an image issue with a lot of the electorate someof it's own doing, but mainly from a hostile media and PLP.

He approach though to distance all things traaditiona labour and embrace a completely non commital agenda woth hints of camerons time mke him come across vacant of ideas bar soundbites

 

[Brewster's millions]

Leadsom soumding like the reactionary fuckwit she has always been focusimg on just stop oil not the important part of tge interviee he skirted

I suspect you wasn't impressed with the bloke because he espoused ideas you disagree with rather his performance

agreed Sharon White was bobbins she ain't gonna solve the John Lewis going bust problem came across badly

I’m never going to agree with the Politics Joe bloke, but his comments about how cheap it is currently for the government to borrow were frankly laughable, and I’m afraid he lost any credibility after that.

They way he kept looking at his shoes after he made a point was odd as well.