Keir Starmer

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I'm in total agreement, as per my post though - the risk of that is that the opposition can unhang themselves for the next election. You need to make some big moves while in government to keep them buried. Biden has done some good things in the US. I hope Starmer has big plans.

I don't see any way back for the Tories now. They're cooked.

Short of something mental like a hot war with Russia or some scandal that reveals Starmer to be the new Jimmy Savile, they're done.

 

[Phil1]

Cheers. So it seems it’s just the proper staunch hard left who are not overly keen.

 

[halfmist]

It's certainly not likely to be a great time to be coming into power, but the Tories have gone so far down the rabbit hole that the markets and most big financial institutions will probably welcome a Labour govt.

Tory economic policy has been batshit crazy for years now, without any real identifiable approach. Arguably, austerity was the last time they had a plan, and that was one that most economists decided was misguided fairly quickly.

It will, of course, depend on how they raise the funds and what they are going to spend it on.
If the spending is to fund unaffordable pay rises in the public sector or is seen as inflationary or done through borrowing it is highly likely to result in high interest rates.
What the markets don’t want to see happen is a boost in consumer spending at a time of full employment resulting in an increase in imports then a run on the £.
We should know better on specifics nearer the Election.

 

[halfmist]

Cheers. So it seems it’s just the proper staunch hard left who are not overly keen.

You would have thought that they would have learned their lesson after Corbyn’s misfortune but I think they will resurrect if Starmer doesn’t, in their opinion, be radical enough.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

You would have thought that they would have learned their lesson after Corbyn’s misfortune but I think they will resurrect if Starmer doesn’t, in their opinion, be radical enough.

A lot of them won’t be happy with anything short of Starmer cracking Jewish jokes in parliament and changing the Union Jack to a hammer and sickle.

 

[Don Karleone]

Starving children

 

[Vic]

26 miles difference.

It like saying I have been brought up in Gorton all my life but can represent Widness even though I have never visited

Did Churchill stand for Blenheim or Oldham?

 

[Vic]

Cheers. So it seems it’s just the proper staunch hard left who are not overly keen.

Let's just say the child benefit issue has annoyed people across the party. And some of the stuff like being banned from being a candidate for talking about films with Ken Loach is pathetic (I'd say sinister but as sinister means left...)

 

[Vic]

What the markets don’t want to see happen is a boost in consumer spending at a time of full employment resulting in an increase in imports then a run on the £.

So no growth then to end the cost of living crisis? Everyone but the rich stays poor?

 

[urban genie]

Did Churchill stand for Blenheim or Oldham?

Dundee ;-)

And did churchill give fig for his five constituencies or was it just about being in parliament at any cost

 

[Rascal]

Yes there's a lot of whinging from the nutters on the far left that he's not trying to do batshit stupid stuff like nationalise the internet (an actual Corbyn policy)

No it wasn't, it was described that way by the lunatics at the Mail.

He wanted to make Broadband free across the country paid for by taxation. A sensible supply side reform that would have helped increase productivity.

As a far left "nutter" who would quite happily vote for the Communist Party over Starmer please get your facts right if you are going to criticise us on the "nutter" spectrum of politics.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

No it wasn't, it was described that way by the lunatics at the Mail.

He wanted to make Broadband free across the country paid for by taxation. A sensible supply side reform that would have helped increase productivity.

As a far left "nutter" who would quite happily vote for the Communist Party over Starmer please get your facts right if you are going to criticise us on the "nutter" spectrum of politics.

We will never agree on politics.

 

[Rascal]

A lot of them won’t be happy with anything short of Starmer cracking Jewish jokes in parliament and changing the Union Jack to a hammer and sickle.

Oh dear!

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Oh dear!

I was half joking.

 

[ganganvince]

I don't see any way back for the Tories now. They're cooked.

Short of something mental like a hot war with Russia or some scandal that reveals Starmer to be the new Jimmy Savile, they're done.

Or Dianne Abbot mounting a successful leadership challenge.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Or Dianne Abbot mounting a successful leadership challenge.

Let’s not. I mean it.

Some things you just shouldn’t joke about.

 

[Rascal]

We will never agree on politics.

Obviously not if you write stuff that is wrong in the first place, you made a statement based on the Daily Mails reporting of a policy, i corrected you with the actual policy and your reply is to say we will never agree.

That is typical of right wing Labour, they are quite happy to stand with the right wing media in order to bash the Left. The Labour right are just as culpable for this awful Tory government as the Tories are because they enabled them to seize power by misrepresenting the policies of the actual Labour party and using the party machinery to keep the left at bay in order to have another run at being Neo-Liberal Blairite wannabees.

Stopping "bat shit crazy" ideas like free Broadband was more important to the corporate interests of the Labour right than beating the Tories. Now the Labour right want to be Tories. Well they can fuck off for me, nothing changes and corporate interest prevails. Look at how many Labour MPs get funding from private healthcare companies. Pro austerity anti working class Reeves and that fucking idiot Streeting are two of them.

 

[halfmist]

Obviously not if you write stuff that is wrong in the first place, you made a statement based on the Daily Mails reporting of a policy, i corrected you with the actual policy and your reply is to say we will never agree.

That is typical of right wing Labour, they are quite happy to stand with the right wing media in order to bash the Left. The Labour right are just as culpable for this awful Tory government as the Tories are because they enabled them to seize power by misrepresenting the policies of the actual Labour party and using the party machinery to keep the left at bay in order to have another run at being Neo-Liberal Blairite wannabees.

Stopping "bat shit crazy" ideas like free Broadband was more important to the corporate interests of the Labour right than beating the Tories. Now the Labour right want to be Tories. Well they can fuck off for me, nothing changes and corporate interest prevails. Look at how many Labour MPs get funding from private healthcare companies. Pro austerity anti working class Reeves and that fucking idiot Streeting are two of them.

You are between a rock and a hard plaice.
The only way a Labour Party will be taken seriously by the Electorate is if they persue centrist policies which will mean Tory ones with a different leader.
The tories they will also be trying to convince the Electorate we have listened and we have changed.
That means any changes in direction away from the centre will be around the edges by either Party.
You want to see radical left wing changes which aint going to happen.
Corbyn has already been there with disasterous consequences so it leaves you with no one to vote for that you would be happy with .

 

[bluenova]

We will never agree on politics.

Nationalising the internet is a fairly run of the mill idea. Certainly if you consider Openreach the internet in the UK, then it's already a state condoned/regulated monopoly.

If it reached this stage of near monopoly on its own in the private sector, then it would almost certainly be broken up.

There's no knowing what the current Tories would do (as they've not really got any economic philosophy), but certainly any kind of mainstream market/capitalist based political party, would not leave the internet entirely to market forces.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Under his leadership Labour have just overturned the biggest ever majority at a by-election on record and are on track to cruise to a general election victory. While there isn't quite the euphoria of 1997 it's not far off.

Considering the car crash experiment of his predecessor I think he's doing an amazing job. Rachel Reeves needs to be given a lot of credit too. We need some actual sensible adults in the two great offices of state, given the wreck our economy is at the moment.

The caveat being my personal politics are towards the centre of centre-left and I haven't really felt any party have represented my views in recent years. I'll be proud to vote Labour in the next election under Starmer.

He's going to make an excellent PM.

Yes there's a lot of whinging from the nutters on the far left that he's not trying to do batshit stupid stuff like nationalise the internet (an actual Corbyn policy) but those people can go and join George Galloway in Russia or vote for the communist party.

I agree with you over the last few pages and most of that post^. But I do think nationalising broadband is a good idea. It’s a necessity for most of us now, especially those increasingly working from home, those who maybe don’t work from home but do run their business from home (tradesman, for example, using the social media to organise and advertise their business).

And it’s a ‘thing’ in South Korea:

South Korea starts universal super high-speed Internet service for all its citizens

Apart from South Korea, the US, Spain, Switzerland, Finland, Malta, Croatia and Sweden offer Switzerland, Finland, Malta, Croatia and Sweden to their citizens.

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