Keir Starmer

[mexico1970]

He's modelling centrist dad to sell his policies.

No doubt they'll be a party political broadcast where he'll paint the fence of his terraced home in rainbows colours. Then off to the pub in his Arsenal shirt to meet 'the lads' where you'll see him neck a pint. Cheer a goal. Then make a unsuitable comment at the young barmaid. He will then see someone in a spurs shirt and sing yid army with him to show he's not tribal. On the way home he'll buy a kebab from Abdul's. Have some 'bantz' and come home to his pissed off wife (played by an actress who looks like Rachel Reeves) throws a pillow at him and points to the sofa. His french bulldog, already on it growls at him so he sleeps on the floor. He wakes up hungover and realises he's late for Sunday footy with the lads. Plays the game scores a goal but doesn't celebrate as the keeper is a person of colour and he respects his choice. On the way home he sees a homeless veteran and buys him a coffee. The veteran thanks him and says if he had a home he'd vote for him. Starmer promises he will.

The PPB ends with Vote Labour

He's a man for all seasons.

 

[Mraitch]

He owned a company. He was not some factory worker as Starmer portrays. It’s somewhat dishonest given he likes to peddle this line about his dad being a toolmaker.

Maybe let’s flip this around, Sunak’s mum owned a pharmacy so would it convey the full story to describe her as working in a pharmacy?

Keir Starmer's father, Rodney Starmer, owned a manufacturing company called Oxted Tool Company. The company specialised in producing tools, primarily for use in carpentry and other trades.
Rodney Starmer owned and operated the Oxted Tool Company from around the 1970s until his retirement in the mid-1990s. During this period, the company was known for producing high-quality tools, reflecting Rodney Starmer's dedication and craftsmanship.
The Oxted Tool Company was a relatively small business, employing a modest number of workers. Reports indicate that it had around a dozen employees. This small workforce was indicative of the company's scale and focus on specialised, high-quality tool production rather than mass manufacturing.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The notion that being self employed/an employer means you cannot be working class is simplistic, absurd and rooted in snobbery.

 

[west didsblue]

It’s inconceivable that a manufacturing company with around a dozen employees and its own premises would have no Companies House records and no trace online outside chat forums and politically motivated blogs. Until a credible link is provided there is little doubt it’s made up nonsense to justify a narrative.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Even Ashcroft's book where (I think) much of this came from reports someone who knew Starmer Snr saying that he had a rented workshop on a farm nearby and then later moved to a few miles away. It says it was pretty much only him - 1500 sq ft is quite small while having a few machines in there.

Given he was apparently making parts/tools, it seems reasonable that he was making them for larger manufacturers and would be on the shopfloor of them at times. KS working for a few months at said manufacturer (pressing buttons on a machine?) would be a reasonable placement for a few months.

 

[Lowtower]

Starmer is a ****.

But people like cunts being in charge, look at the history of Prime Ministers we have had, it is full to the brim of cunts.

There was some ridiculous line in 17 & 19 about "Corbyn doesn't look like a leader" and from what I remember he was largely questioned about pressing the big red nuclear button too and his stance. Bizarre stuff.

 

[supercity88]

It’s inconceivable that a manufacturing company with around a dozen employees and its own premises would have no Companies House records and no trace online outside chat forums and politically motivated blogs. Until a credible link is provided there is little doubt it’s made up nonsense to justify a narrative.

Whether his Dad owned a company or not, we're talking a small business and it's still a working class industry. I think Starmer has every right to mention he's more capable of relating to those struggling. We usually hear it from Tories who think that the one month they spent working part time in McDonalds whilst studying for a Masters (fully funded by their wealthy parents) is the same thing.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Whether his Dad owned a company or not, we're talking a small business and it's still a working class industry. I think Starmer has every right to mention he's more capable of relating to those struggling. We usually hear it from Tories who think that the one month they spent working part time in McDonalds whilst studying for a Masters (fully funded by their wealthy parents) is the same thing.

I have to say I do find it interesting how people can spend so much time focusing upon what his Dad did and how this feeds into Starmer’s ability to relate to those struggling, rather than what Starmer will actually do when in power.

Relatability or awareness of a situation counts for nothing if there’s no desire to actually do anything about it. Starmer’s constant banging on about his working class background is nothing more than a political con trick, a diversion, hence the reason why he hams it up about his Dad working in a factory. It’s simply playing the class card for political gain.

Labour have signed up to a fiscal framework more restrictive than the one currently in place, and monetary policy is of course independent. The tax rises they’re planning are essentially a rounding error in terms of the fiscal projections. The VAT increase on schools could in fact raise nothing at all. Meanwhile the planned cuts to non-protected departmental spending are simply being ignored, and when pressed on this Starmer disingenuously rules out a return to austerity, even though that’s what their plans imply.

Any difficult questions on this issue or indeed anything relating to how they will differ from the Conservatives is met with the usual nonsense and lies about his Dad working in a factory. It’s a simple trick but a lot of people are keen to fall for it.

 

[west didsblue]

I have to say I do find it interesting how people can spend so much time focusing upon what his Dad did and how this feeds into Starmer’s ability to relate to those struggling, rather than what Starmer will actually do when in power.

Relatability or awareness of a situation counts for nothing if there’s no desire to actually do anything about it. Starmer’s constant banging on about his working class background is nothing more than a political con trick, a diversion, hence the reason why he hams it up about his Dad working in a factory. It’s simply playing the class card for political gain.

Labour have signed up to a fiscal framework more restrictive than the one currently in place, and monetary policy is of course independent. The tax rises they’re planning are essentially a rounding error in terms of the fiscal projections. The VAT increase on schools could in fact raise nothing at all. Meanwhile the planned cuts to non-protected departmental spending are simply being ignored, and when pressed on this Starmer disingenuously rules out a return to austerity, even though that’s what their plans imply.

Any difficult questions on this issue or indeed anything relating to how they will differ from the Conservatives is met with the usual nonsense and lies about his Dad working in a factory. It’s a simple trick but a lot of people are keen to fall for it.

Bit rich coming from you when you’re the one obsessed with claiming he didn’t have a working class background when there’s absolutely no evidence that he’s lied.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Starmer is a ****.

But people like cunts being in charge, look at the history of Prime Ministers we have had, it is full to the brim of cunts.

There was some ridiculous line in 17 & 19 about "Corbyn doesn't look like a leader" and from what I remember he was largely questioned about pressing the big red nuclear button too and his stance. Bizarre stuff.

Oh yeah the voters love a proper ****.
Thatcher - massive ****
Blair - humongous lying ****
Cameron - posh ****
Johnson - posher ****.

In between the leaders who werent actually voted in , brown, may, truss, whilst slight cunts werent in the **** major league of the aforementioned. They were amateur cunts really which is why they were fucked off.

I guess the odd one out was major who was more a wet fart than a ****.

Then you have the current two. Are they cunty? Id put sunak down as more of a spunk bubble and starmer maybe a bell whiff. Neither come across too cunty in the grand scheme of things.
So given the populous love voting a big **** in but are really left in this election with either a spunk bubble or a bell whiff then thats why farage, a ****, is getting a look in

 

[inbetween]

Oh yeah the voters love a proper ****.
Thatcher - massive ****
Blair - humongous lying ****
Cameron - posh ****
Johnson - posher ****.

In between the leaders who werent actually voted in , brown, may, truss, whilst slight cunts werent in the **** major league of the aforementioned. They were amateur cunts really which is why they were fucked off.

I guess the odd one out was major who was more a wet fart than a ****.

Then you have the current two. Are they cunty? Id put sunak down as more of a spunk bubble and starmer maybe a bell whiff. Neither come across too cunty in the grand scheme of things.
So given the populous love voting a big **** in but are really left in this election with either a spunk bubble or a bell whiff then thats why farage, a ****, is getting a look in

Are you Malcolm Tucker? :)

 

[Lowtower]

Oh yeah the voters love a proper ****.
Thatcher - massive ****
Blair - humongous lying ****
Cameron - posh ****
Johnson - posher ****.

In between the leaders who werent actually voted in , brown, may, truss, whilst slight cunts werent in the **** major league of the aforementioned. They were amateur cunts really which is why they were fucked off.

I guess the odd one out was major who was more a wet fart than a ****.

Then you have the current two. Are they cunty? Id put sunak down as more of a spunk bubble and starmer maybe a bell whiff. Neither come across too cunty in the grand scheme of things.
So given the populous love voting a big **** in but are really left in this election with either a spunk bubble or a bell whiff then thats why farage, a ****, is getting a look in

We should replace Kuntsberg on her BBC gig mate.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Are you Malcolm Tucker? :)

I think a few Tory MPs would say Sunak is an example of Tuckers law by calling the GE before they could fuck him off.

 

[Eccles Blue]

The notion that being self employed/an employer means you cannot be working class is simplistic, absurd and rooted in snobbery.

I had a lecturer at University who said if you go to a place of work and you get paid for that work whether it be daily, weekly or monthly then you are obviously working class....... a simplistic way of looking at it but true.

 

[metalblue]

I had a lecturer at University who said if you go to a place of work and you get paid for that work whether it be daily, weekly or monthly then you are obviously working class....... a simplistic way of looking at it but true.

Mrs MB uni lecturer said to her you’ve got a degree, you’re no longer working class.

How can us simpletons agree what is working class if the educational elite can’t? ;)

 

[mexico1970]

Mrs MB uni lecturer said to her you’ve got a degree, you’re no longer working class.

How can us simpletons agree what is working class if the educational elite can’t? ;)

The definition changed over time, hand to mouth poor defines the newer version of the working class. There are lower working class people and upper class working people.

If you sit in a wine bar discussing your stocks you probably are not lower working class :)

 

[bluenova]

The definition changed over time, hand to mouth poor defines the newer version of the working class. There are lower working class people and upper class working people.

If you sit in a wine bar discussing your stocks you probably are not lower working class :)

Maybe if you spend your time on a forum discussing how to define the Working Class, you're not working class ;)

 

[SamBlue]

I had a lecturer at University who said if you go to a place of work and you get paid for that work whether it be daily, weekly or monthly then you are obviously working class....... a simplistic way of looking at it but true.

That's how I've been looking at it, if you are paid salary by somebody else and you can be fired on a whim you are a working class. It is only that in Anglo-Saxon socio-political system 'the business" came up with this idea of different professional 'classes' implemented by their agents, namely politicians, like the best way of controlling everything in society through usual divide and conquer bullshit. And people bought it!
E.g. more than 10K Air Traffic controllers found out in one day under Reagan's announcement they are working class, very similar to what UK doctors are experiencing today.
Blue collar workers had been destroyed, white collar ones are almost finished off and now the iron heel started pressing on necks of all those 'professionals' like doctors and barristers, while all of them debate whether they are working class or not.

 

[supercity88]

I have to say I do find it interesting how people can spend so much time focusing upon what his Dad did and how this feeds into Starmer’s ability to relate to those struggling, rather than what Starmer will actually do when in power.

Relatability or awareness of a situation counts for nothing if there’s no desire to actually do anything about it. Starmer’s constant banging on about his working class background is nothing more than a political con trick, a diversion, hence the reason why he hams it up about his Dad working in a factory. It’s simply playing the class card for political gain.

Labour have signed up to a fiscal framework more restrictive than the one currently in place, and monetary policy is of course independent. The tax rises they’re planning are essentially a rounding error in terms of the fiscal projections. The VAT increase on schools could in fact raise nothing at all. Meanwhile the planned cuts to non-protected departmental spending are simply being ignored, and when pressed on this Starmer disingenuously rules out a return to austerity, even though that’s what their plans imply.

Any difficult questions on this issue or indeed anything relating to how they will differ from the Conservatives is met with the usual nonsense and lies about his Dad working in a factory. It’s a simple trick but a lot of people are keen to fall for it.

People aren't spending much time on it, and certainly aren't going to vote on the basis of what his Dad was or wasn't. Someone who will never vote Labour has suggested, with no evidence, it's a lie. That's the only reason it's being discussed at all.

How many second generation immigrants are there in the Tory party? Hasn't stopped them supporting very strict immigration rules and deterrents for asylum seekers. Your background doesn't always shape what you believe in. There are plenty of people who have grown up in working class backgrounds but only known wealth in adult life and vote to preserve their interests, not out of compassion for those still in those environments. If you experienced it as a child you can't necessarily relate in any case. That struggle was his parent's not his.

But he can certainly relate more than Sunak who comes out with staggering comments like how he didn't have Sky TV. If he knew the working classes he'd know they'd always have sky no matter how poor they were. It would be food and clothes they went without before they cancelled sky.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Bit rich coming from you when you’re the one obsessed with claiming he didn’t have a working class background when there’s absolutely no evidence that he’s lied.

I’ve simply highlighted how he’s exaggerated his father’s job as a factory worker and used that to deflect from difficult questions.

Starmer’s comments about his father being looked down upon because he worked in a factory were OTT and out of touch for that matter.