Keir Starmer

blueparrot said:
No, because it doesn’t happen in fact our children grew up in a town that has a single use changing room going back 20 years, did they change with trans people ,I haven’t the faintest idea. Where you may have a point is sport, but that’s down to sports bodies not politics.
You’re making up scenarios that are complete bollocks to fit some political bull shit, like some debating society, meanwhile in the real world where there have always been trans people in society and the sky hasn’t fallen in.
Do you think trans people in general society is a new thing, or something you can stop? How about gay people should they be denied rights too?
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Everyone has the right to live their life.

As you note, that's not my issue. I think trans-women/ men should declare they are trans and let the person they are hoping for a relationship with doesn't mind.

Otherwise, if you're expecting to have a life with someone and have a DNA family with them (half yours, half theirs), then this will cause issues and resentment in that particular relationship. I've known a VERY beautiful trans-woman, but hadn't had the op (at the time 20 years ago). I thought back then, and even now, she would have to let the other person know.

Everybody, within a romantic or sporting situation, MUST know and let them make their choice from there.

it's not unreasonable.
 
Bigga said:
Of course they don't.

Forever voting against their own interests.

However, at least SOME disciplines are saying no to the entry of trans in some sports.

They want WOMEN to compete fairly.
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It is telling that only biological males pretending to be women want to compete in women's sport, yet biological females pretending to be men don't seem to want to compete against real men
 
maxwellblue said:
It is telling that only biological males pretending to be women want to compete in women's sport, yet biological females pretending to be men don't seem to want to compete against real men
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Exactly.

You see it all the time that even some of the weakest guys can savagely beat trans-men in a physical sport. It's stupid, unfair and unsafe.
 
Have any of the outraged on here actually done anything about these issues, or is it limited to trying to score a point against Starmer on a football forum?

I’ve only ever encountered this rage online. Absolutely nothing about it in real life.


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Bigga said:
Everyone has the right to live their life.

As you note, that's not my issue. I think trans-women/ men should declare they are trans and let the person they are hoping for a relationship with doesn't mind.

Otherwise, if you're expecting to have a life with someone and have a DNA family with them (half yours, half theirs), then this will cause issues and resentment in that particular relationship. I've known a VERY beautiful trans-woman, but hadn't had the op (at the time 20 years ago). I thought back then, and even now, she would have to let the other person know.

Everybody, within a romantic or sporting situation, MUST know and let them make their choice from there.

it's not unreasonable.
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No it isn’t but not sure what politicians have to do with that deception, maybe there is already a law about deliberately misleading somebody I don’t know. This debate isn’t about that.
What this is about is do trans people have the right to decide their preferred sex themselves and be know by that sex or another label if they like,then to have rights appropriate for that person.
For any politician to deny that isn't their place. Sunak and some tories are trying to deny that right to be known as another sex, only by their biological birth sex.Thats the box they are trying to put Starmer in by asking the question what is a woman, it’s a trick question he is trying to avoid and getting himself tied in knots, but it isn’t a legitimate question..
 
blueparrot said:
No it isn’t but not sure what politicians have to do with that deception, maybe there is already a law about deliberately misleading somebody I don’t know. This debate isn’t about that.
What this is about is do trans people have the right to decide their preferred sex themselves and be know by that sex or another label if they like,then to have rights appropriate for that person.
For any politician to deny that isn't their place. Sunak and some tories are trying to deny that right to be known as another sex, only by their biological birth sex.Thats the box they are trying to put Starmer in by asking the question what is a woman, it’s a trick question he is trying to avoid and getting himself tied in knots, but it isn’t a legitimate question..
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You are born either male or female and will remain whatever sex you are born until the day you die. You can live your life as a member of the opposite sex, but if you are born male then you will always be male.
 
blueparrot said:
No it isn’t but not sure what politicians have to do with that deception, maybe there is already a law about deliberately misleading somebody I don’t know. This debate isn’t about that.
What this is about is do trans people have the right to decide their preferred sex themselves and be know by that sex or another label if they like,then to have rights appropriate for that person.
For any politician to deny that isn't their place. Sunak and some tories are trying to deny that right to be known as another sex, only by their biological birth sex.Thats the box they are trying to put Starmer in by asking the question what is a woman, it’s a trick question he is trying to avoid and getting himself tied in knots, but it isn’t a legitimate question..
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So, you must have the right to change your birthed sex? Is that your demand?

Okay, so what happens to the individuals that have thought they would solve their life problems by changing sex, only to regret doing so and revert?

Do they have to scrub their changed birth sex again...?

Where does it stop??
 
Bigga said:
So, you must have the right to change your birthed sex? Is that your demand?

Okay, so what happens to the individuals that have thought they would solve their life problems by changing sex, only to regret doing so and revert?

Do they have to scrub their changed birth sex again...?

Where does it stop??
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Sure people regret a lot of things and go back on them. How many people that have changed their sex, revert? Don’t know myself but does it matter ?Again what’s that to me?
 
maxwellblue said:
You are born either male or female and will remain whatever sex you are born until the day you die. You can live your life as a member of the opposite sex, but if you are born male then you will always be male.
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Wrong again.

**sigh**

www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of HERMAPHRODITE

an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs, structures, or tissue : an organism exhibiting hermaphroditism; something that is a combination of diverse elements… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com www.merriam-webster.com
 
Bigga said:
Is Billie Jean King trans or trans at the time??

What does that convert to in percentage value to the discussion...?
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Battle of the sexes. A woman cannot beat a man in a physical game like tennis. Billie Jean King won in straight sets against a man who was confident he would win simply because he was a man.

If a woman can beat a man, then a trans man could also beat a man.
 
Bigga said:
So, you must have the right to change your birthed sex? Is that your demand?

Okay, so what happens to the individuals that have thought they would solve their life problems by changing sex, only to regret doing so and revert?

Do they have to scrub their changed birth sex again...?

Where does it stop??
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Why not? And those that do are psychologically profiled when it comes to gender surgery. Also, what business is it of yours or mine anyway? It’s between the person and their doctors and councillors.
 
blueparrot said:
And humans never try and change or adapt biology. We can so we do, if it helps people feel better about themselves and doesn’t effect you and your life,whats it to you ?
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No new hip for granny, no pacemaker for grandad. No vasectomy for Uncle Kevin or double mastectomy for Auntie Carol who has breast cancer. Biology has already decided their fate.
 
Chris in London said:
Wrong again.

**sigh**

www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of HERMAPHRODITE

an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs, structures, or tissue : an organism exhibiting hermaphroditism; something that is a combination of diverse elements… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com www.merriam-webster.com
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Can you be hermaphrodite's child, that's what I wanna know? Caveat, drink has been taken...
 
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