Keir Starmer

Like I said, May 7 isn’t a referendum on Starmer however much you want it to be. Even in South Wales where all those ex-miners have lost their jobs in Claire’s Accessories.
You think? I think it's absolutely a referendum on Starmer. After the shambles of the past couple of weeks I imagine many people casting a protest vote.

I also noted with great amusement the Labour PR department had all their TV spokespeople doing the rounds drilled into saying virtually the same words these past mornings : That no-one on the doorstep is interested or talking about the Mandleson scandal. Yeah right ;-)
 
Truss and Johnson were demonstrably worse than Starmer, although it’s not saying much and at least Truss is fit.
 
Sadly I agree I don't think he'll get it. He's too right wing for the loony left and also he was mates with Mandleson, something he's been desperately trying to gloss over.

I think they will go for Rayner or Miliband.

If that comes to pass, it's a disaster for Labour. Why? Because neither would be remotely popular amongst the general public, so would guarantee getting slaughtered in the next general election. Labour MPs would do well to think about 2029 when making their choice, not 2026!

They said that of John Major after Thatcher was ousted.
 
But he was ultimately a conservative who understood that you do not grow an economy by taxing people to death. So that puts him in front of Starmer straight off.
He was a fine example of financial probity costing the UK £100–£120 billion per year in lost output through his Brexit incompetence.

Thats not to mention partygate, lying to the Queen, illegal prorogation of parliament, shambolic handling of Covid and the PPE scandal, the Owen Paterson scandal, the Chris Fincher affair........
 
They said that of John Major after Thatcher was ousted.
To be fair, the public have already passed judgement on Miliband haven't they. Granted my view that they would reject Rayner is only my opinion, but the public has not shown any particular favouritism towards hard left candidates generally.
 
Sadly I agree I don't think he'll get it. He's too right wing for the loony left and also he was mates with Mandleson, something he's been desperately trying to gloss over.

I think they will go for Rayner or Miliband.

If that comes to pass, it's a disaster for Labour. Why? Because neither would be remotely popular amongst the general public, so would guarantee getting slaughtered in the next general election. Labour MPs would do well to think about 2029 when making their choice, not 2026!
I’m sure they both have eyes on the crown but, as you say, neither of them would be popular with the electorate and I think both would be worse for the country.

The only chance Labour have is if their policies start to force their way through the rhetoric, showing real improvements to people’s lives. Early shoots are there but we’re in a period of such uncertainty, minor gains aren’t going to cut it and it’s easy to understand why people will turn to other parties to protest the issues, even though they might by even worse off for it.
 
You think? I think it's absolutely a referendum on Starmer. After the shambles of the past couple of weeks I imagine many people casting a protest vote.

I also noted with great amusement the Labour PR department had all their TV spokespeople doing the rounds drilled into saying virtually the same words these past mornings : That no-one on the doorstep is interested or talking about the Mandleson scandal. Yeah right ;-)
However much millions of people will treat it as a referendum, it won’t make the slightest difference to who represents you in parliament and who the PM is, but you could end up with a bunch of clueless morons running your local council and making a complete mess of it. There’s plenty of examples of Reform completely fucking up local government so good luck with your protest vote, although in your case you wouldn’t vote Labour anyway.
 
He was a fine example of financial probity costing the UK £100–£120 billion per year in lost output through his Brexit incompetence.
Are you one of those who think he should have just ignored all the medical device and just let a load of extra people die? Genuine question.
 
To be fair, the public have already passed judgement on Miliband haven't they. Granted my view that they would reject Rayner is only my opinion, but the public has not shown any particular favouritism towards hard left candidates generally.
The threat Labour faces at the next election does not come from Reform or the Tories, it comes from the Greens.
 
He was a fine example of financial probity costing the UK £100–£120 billion per year in lost output through his Brexit incompetence.

Thats not to mention partygate, lying to the Queen, illegal prorogation of parliament, shambolic handling of Covid and the PPE scandal, the Owen Paterson scandal, the Chris Fincher affair........
To be fair, people did find Johnson entertaining and circled the bandwagons every time he made the odd blip or fuck-up. It was only when people realised that they’d been absolutely done over that they stepped back and let other voices come through.

We all give Johnson praise for his stance on Ukraine, but his chaotic control of government and lack of decision made this country far worse off than it needed to be.
 
Are you one of those who think he should have just ignored all the medical device and just let a load of extra people die? Genuine question.
He didn't ignore it but he delayed acting on it, was inconsistent in his actions and his decision making process was totally inadequate. The Covid inquiry will determine if he was legally negligent. At best he was an incompetent when the country most needed an effective leader.
 
To be fair, people did find Johnson entertaining and circled the bandwagons every time he made the odd blip or fuck-up. It was only when people realised that they’d been absolutely done over that they stepped back and let other voices come through.

We all give Johnson praise for his stance on Ukraine, but his chaotic control of government and lack of decision made this country far worse off than it needed to be.
I can promise you that at no time did I find him entertaining. He was a fucking clown and i don't like them either.
 
I can promise you that at no time did I find him entertaining. He was a fucking clown and i don't like them either.
I’m very much of the opinion that we should accept the democratic process and said the same for Johnson. My opinion on him wasn’t high anyway but was willing to see what he would bring. That didn’t last long and his antics had me furious.

After that it was very hard to get on board with Truss, you just knew it was going to be a shitshow. As for Sunak, I had great hopes, but he fucked it, and his childlike hosting of Musk was the last straw.
 
He didn't ignore it but he delayed acting on it, was inconsistent in his actions and his decision making process was totally inadequate. The Covid inquiry will determine if he was legally negligent. At best he was an incompetent when the country most needed an effective leader.
Thanks. You'll not be surprised to hear me say I don't share that perspective.

I am not sure enough allowance is made for the fact that we were at the time trying to navigate unprecedented waters, with extremely important (understatement) yet diametrically conflicting pressures: To save lives to the greatest practical degree, whilst not at the same time, putting millions out of work and crashing the economy to the point it may take decades from which to recover. Johnson had to make some really difficult decisions and there was no "user manual".

Could it have been handled better? Probably. Perhaps we could have locked down sooner. Others argued we shouldn't have locked down at all. On balance did Johnson do an OK job under the circumstances? I would say yes, he probably did.
 
I actually like Streeting with what he’s doing with the NHS. He seems to be very deep into his brief and always comes across well with his understanding of how the NHS works and needs to be reformed.

However, I cannot see him in the PMs position. He doesn’t have the same gravitas on the major issues and it’s probably way to early in his political career.


The NHS in the hands of Palantir is a good thing?
 
I refer you to my answer above. Starmer is rightly recognised by the public as the worst PM in living memory. I, like many, think he's a traitor, rotten to the core.
You are clearly living in a complete echo chamber if you think Starmer is regarded by ‘the public’ as the worst PM in living memory,

The fact you think he’s worse than Truss means you are completely incapable of objective thought on the matter.
 

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