Ken Livingston

Labour=socialism=national socialism=Nazis.
Surely this is easy for anyone to understand? A vote for corbyn is a vote for Hitler. Every time someone votes labour a kitten and probably at least one Jew dies. How we can stand by and watch this happen is beyond me. Thankfully we have the upstanding moral crusaders of tabloid journalism to make us aware of this scandal.
Whooaaa.........hold on there lad.........Labour are anti-kittens? Isn't @karen7 a leftie? She'll be devastated.
 
Looks like politicians are all at it now. Bloody Gerry Adams has just apologised for using the 'n' word in a Tweet. They really are thick.
 
It beggars belief that corbyn gets away with assisting in the wholesale slaughter of Jews while dave gets hung out to dry for having what was only really a " posh wank" with a pigs head. This country is going to the dogs and is turning into Stalinist Russia cbefore our eyes.

You're right, this Livingstone crap is cover for the very real bigotry going on with Zac Godsmith.

If you want to see real bigotry hold your nose and wander over to today's Telegraph. I can't bring myself to look at the Mail, it invariably turns my stomach.
 
You're right, this Livingstone crap is cover for the very real bigotry going on with Zac Godsmith.

If you want to see real bigotry hold your nose and wander over to today's Telegraph. I can't bring myself to look at the Mail, it invariably turns my stomach.

Do you mean like sharing a platform with known terrorists?
 
Ah! But there is lies the rub, you see Galloway questions the legitimacy of the State of Israel, Anti-Semitism has now defined/re-defined to state that anyone who holds such views is anti-Semitic.

Because, as Prestwich_Blue stated in a previous post....


The general definition of anti-Semitism is..."anti-Semitism is hostility or prejudice against Jews

So, as Galloway is questioning the legitimacy of the State of Israel and that legitimacy stems from "The Jewish religion is however completely wedded to the idea of Israel as its spiritual home" then the only logical conclusion one can come to is that anyone who questions Israel's legitimacy, something " The Jewish religion is....completely wedded to" must be anti-Semitic, because to question her legitimacy is to question what it is to be a Jew, which falls neatly under the general definition shown above about holding prejudice against Jews.

I once had a long conversation with a Jewish mate of mine many years ago, he was a left winger, but held the opinion that it was not possible to be a Jew and not a Zionist.

This problem with anti-Semitism that Labour is supposed to have, stems from a very real unresolved dichotomy, not that you'd know it from this media shit storm, but it is a dichotomy for Jews as well.

Are these two absolutes?

1. To be Jewish one must be a Zionist.

2. Anti-Zionism is the same as Anti-Semitism.

I disagree. I don't think it is anti-semitic to question the legitimacy of Israel, because it is a disagreement or criticism of one aspect of the beliefs of a proportion of Jews. You would end up labeling everybody "anti-this and anti-that" just because they disagree with certain elements of another's views or way of life. I'm not saying these two are in any way equally legitimate, but disagreeing with the legitimacy of the ISIS Caliphate is not anti-Muslim, and for me the same is applied to Israel. Just because a proportion of a people say it's their view and major belief, doesn't make you anti that entire group of people because you disagree. I disagree about a number of elements of Jewish practice and faith, that isn't anti-Semitism.

In fact your definition is something I would expect Netanyahu to use as a way of trying to ensure nobody could argue against his policies because if you disagree with any of it you're "anti-semitic, hate all Jews and everything associated with them". It's a definition to be used by very single-minded, bigoted people who want to believe their view and their way is the only way and everyone opposed to it is a "hater".
 
Isn't it about time we had rules against politicians consorting /associating with terrorists? Corbyn is mates with Hezbollah, the IRA, Stalinist Russia, and probably ISIS. Surely this can't all be a coincidence, and I will be the first to say 'I told you so' when corbyn or Ken fucking Livingston fly a 737 into canary wharf or big Ben. We are sleepwalking into our own 9/11 while these two plan atrocities against Jewish people abroad and right minded UK citizens at home, as well as the kittens.
 
Ah! But there is lies the rub, you see Galloway questions the legitimacy of the State of Israel, Anti-Semitism has now defined/re-defined to state that anyone who holds such views is anti-Semitic.

Because, as Prestwich_Blue stated in a previous post....


The general definition of anti-Semitism is..."anti-Semitism is hostility or prejudice against Jews

So, as Galloway is questioning the legitimacy of the State of Israel and that legitimacy stems from "The Jewish religion is however completely wedded to the idea of Israel as its spiritual home" then the only logical conclusion one can come to is that anyone who questions Israel's legitimacy, something " The Jewish religion is....completely wedded to" must be anti-Semitic, because to question her legitimacy is to question what it is to be a Jew, which falls neatly under the general definition shown above about holding prejudice against Jews.

I once had a long conversation with a Jewish mate of mine many years ago, he was a left winger, but held the opinion that it was not possible to be a Jew and not a Zionist.

This problem with anti-Semitism that Labour is supposed to have, stems from a very real unresolved dichotomy, not that you'd know it from this media shit storm, but it is a dichotomy for Jews as well.

Are these two absolutes?

1. To be Jewish one must be a Zionist.

2. Anti-Zionism is the same as Anti-Semitism.
Ok you've convinced me. Galloway is an antisemite. To have the views he has without taking in the overall context and selectively choosing his facts to suit his argument does suggest he doesn't like Jews very much.
 
Tbf pb he makes clearly argued and good points. Surely its the semantics and language used which has caused all this - unless you really think the labour party is some sort of Nazi enclave in which case I can't help.

I know that Galloway may not be a member of the Labour party these days, though he was for a long time, but I've heard not too dissimilar views expressed by card carry Labour Party members. As for gross simplifications and hyperbole? Really?

Livingstone are Shah are not being treated as isolated incidents but are being accused of being the tip of an anti-Semitic iceberg in Labour. Discussing what anti-Semitism is and the difference between anti-Zionism is very relevant, as the Labour party is chock full of anti-Zionists and if anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are the same! Well, I rest my case.

I've no beef with Prestwich_Blue and I know he's not a fool, but clearly his reluctance to debate has nothing to do with hyperbole or over simplification.
 
You're right, this Livingstone crap is cover for the very real bigotry going on with Zac Godsmith.

If you want to see real bigotry hold your nose and wander over to today's Telegraph. I can't bring myself to look at the Mail, it invariably turns my stomach.


Yes. It is all a plot, a conspiracy. The left are good at spotting those, like the 'Zionist' one they so often rant on about in such a nasty way.
 
Do you mean like sharing a platform with known terrorists?

Guilt by association! It's a bugger....

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