Bluestones
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Not a patch on Gareth Barry lol...
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Kinkladze
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JohnMaddocksAxe
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Only ever seen 3 players with that sort of close control and acceleration, whilst keeping the ball so close to their feet.
Maradona, Kinky and Messi.
People think you are taking the piss when you say that, due to him not reaching anywhere near the heights they hit/are hitting.
But they didn't watch him every week and get their views from the hackneyed media and their cliches.
I love Silva and he will go down in the annuls of history as a far superior footballer. But he isn't more talented. He is more committed, more achieving and benefits from a more focused upbringing in the game. But Kinky's talent was easily equal.
Silva is head and shoulders above most Premier League players at present. But Kinky had the same skills and passing range, plus the ridiculous, very, very, very rarely found Messi/Maradona esque dribbling ability.
The lad obviously had a problem upstairs because he wasn't picked up by the bigger clubs before he got to City, despite opportunities and possessing this ridiculous talent. And the fact that he buggered it all up after he left here and never really looked the same player again would back that up.
But he was absolute class. That day against Newcastle, he took the best team in the country apart on his own, a one man band, in a way that no-one else ever really has in this country. Players like Cantona and Bergkamp were being lauded at that time (and still are) for producing the goods in top teams - and they did - but they never put in one man shows like that. And as good as they were, I don't think they possessed the dribbling and speed that would allow such a dominating, everywhere on the pitch performance that Kinky did that day (and on some others).
Spare me the bollocks about him not doing it often enough. Who does in a shite team like that.
What a fecking player. What a fecking waste.
No-one here since then comes close to creating the excitement he created when he got on the ball as the crowd had the knowledge that it was possible that he just might beat 4 men and create a goal from nothing.
Anyone who has heard a player create a roar of anticipation (a realistic one, not a hopeful one) when he got possession since certainly hasn't been watching this club - no matter how brilliant Tevez and Silva have been and no matter how good Bernarbia and Berkovic were in the team they played in.
A lot of the stuff on that video simply could not be replicated by 99.99999% of professional footballers throughout history and by 99.99999% of international footballers now. Unfortunately, Kinky couldn't replicate their determination to succeed and drive to make the most of their talent that a lot of them possess.
Actually, on reflection I'll just edit this slightly. I think, although it is close, Silva possibly has slightly more guile in his range of passing than Kinky. It's close though, just a general feeling I'm left with. Both very, very good at it though. Doesn't change my thoughts on any of the above anyway
Maradona, Kinky and Messi.
People think you are taking the piss when you say that, due to him not reaching anywhere near the heights they hit/are hitting.
But they didn't watch him every week and get their views from the hackneyed media and their cliches.
I love Silva and he will go down in the annuls of history as a far superior footballer. But he isn't more talented. He is more committed, more achieving and benefits from a more focused upbringing in the game. But Kinky's talent was easily equal.
Silva is head and shoulders above most Premier League players at present. But Kinky had the same skills and passing range, plus the ridiculous, very, very, very rarely found Messi/Maradona esque dribbling ability.
The lad obviously had a problem upstairs because he wasn't picked up by the bigger clubs before he got to City, despite opportunities and possessing this ridiculous talent. And the fact that he buggered it all up after he left here and never really looked the same player again would back that up.
But he was absolute class. That day against Newcastle, he took the best team in the country apart on his own, a one man band, in a way that no-one else ever really has in this country. Players like Cantona and Bergkamp were being lauded at that time (and still are) for producing the goods in top teams - and they did - but they never put in one man shows like that. And as good as they were, I don't think they possessed the dribbling and speed that would allow such a dominating, everywhere on the pitch performance that Kinky did that day (and on some others).
Spare me the bollocks about him not doing it often enough. Who does in a shite team like that.
What a fecking player. What a fecking waste.
No-one here since then comes close to creating the excitement he created when he got on the ball as the crowd had the knowledge that it was possible that he just might beat 4 men and create a goal from nothing.
Anyone who has heard a player create a roar of anticipation (a realistic one, not a hopeful one) when he got possession since certainly hasn't been watching this club - no matter how brilliant Tevez and Silva have been and no matter how good Bernarbia and Berkovic were in the team they played in.
A lot of the stuff on that video simply could not be replicated by 99.99999% of professional footballers throughout history and by 99.99999% of international footballers now. Unfortunately, Kinky couldn't replicate their determination to succeed and drive to make the most of their talent that a lot of them possess.
Actually, on reflection I'll just edit this slightly. I think, although it is close, Silva possibly has slightly more guile in his range of passing than Kinky. It's close though, just a general feeling I'm left with. Both very, very good at it though. Doesn't change my thoughts on any of the above anyway
JohnMaddocksAxe said:Only ever seen 3 players with that sort of close control and acceleration, whilst keeping the ball so close to their feet.
Maradona, Kinky and Messi.
People think you are taking the piss when you say that, due to him not reaching anywhere near the heights they hit/are hitting.
But they didn't watch him every week and get their views from the hackneyed media and their cliches.
I love Silva and he will go down in the annuls of history as a far superior footballer. But he isn't more talented. He is more committed, more achieving and benefits from a more focused upbringing in the game. But Kinky's talent was easily equal.
Silva is head and shoulders above most Premier League players at present. But Kinky had the same skills and passing range, plus the ridiculous, very, very, very rarely found Messi/Maradona esque dribbling ability.
The lad obviously had a problem upstairs because he wasn't picked up by the bigger clubs before he got to City, despite opportunities and possessing this ridiculous talent. And the fact that he buggered it all up after he left here and never really looked the same player again would back that up.
But he was absolute class. That day against Newcastle, he took the best team in the country apart on his own, a one man band, in a way that no-one else ever really has in this country. Players like Cantona and Bergkamp were being lauded at that time (and still are) for producing the goods in top teams - and they did - but they never put in one man shows like that. And as good as they were, I don't think they possessed the dribbling and speed that would allow such a dominating, everywhere on the pitch performance that Kinky did that day (and on some others).
Spare me the bollocks about him not doing it often enough. Who does in a shite team like that.
What a fecking player. What a fecking waste.
No-one here since then comes close to creating the excitement he created when he got on the ball as the crowd had the knowledge that it was possible that he just might beat 4 men and create a goal from nothing.
Anyone who has heard a player create a roar of anticipation (a realistic one, not a hopeful one) when he got possession since certainly hasn't been watching this club - no matter how brilliant Tevez and Silva have been and no matter how good Bernarbia and Berkovic were in the team they played in.
A lot of the stuff on that video simply could not be replicated by 99.99999% of professional footballers throughout history and by 99.99999% of international footballers now. Unfortunately, Kinky couldn't replicate their determination to succeed and drive to make the most of their talent that a lot of them possess.
Brilliant post mate.I would argue until I was blue in the face that Kinky is the most natrually gifted player I have ever seen live.It's not really one you can win because he didn't go on to achieve anything in the game.You say about Silva and I love to watch him every week and he makes the very most of the great talent he has.Kinkladze had so much more though and if he had half of Silva's drive he could have been anything he wanted to be on a football pitch.
Kinky Dribbler
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I was only young at the time of him being around so can't remember/didn't care, but what was the general opinion of him from the pundits, journalists and fans of other teams? Was he widely considered as brilliant as we considered him to be?
City_Shirts
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One good season in a relegated side doesn’t make him a legend for me - Fantastic naturally gifted footballer with amazing balance on the ball but about 15 years to early
mcfcnorthstand said:Enjoy
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7BuNzATQsw[/youtube]
"THE FANS AT THIS CLUB ARE ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE AT THIS CLUB" G.KINKLADZE
Got this on my mobile fone wallpaper background.........................
I've always said Kinkladzes story is like some Greek tragedy... one of the most skillful and talented players in Europe at the time, stayed with us through 2 relegations out of a genuine love of the club, only then to be dropped and frozen out by Joe Royle with his 'dogs of war' policy.
Makes me misty eyed justy thinking about it.
Makes me misty eyed justy thinking about it.
flook
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still get goosebumps when I see the southampton goal, I swear he smiles at Beasant before chipping him.
The most naturally gifted player of his era, and comparisons to Messi do not flatter his ability, but sadly his talent wasn't matched by his drive.
The most naturally gifted player of his era, and comparisons to Messi do not flatter his ability, but sadly his talent wasn't matched by his drive.
inchy14
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back to back relegation with him in the team,back to back promotion when he left.
what does that tell you?
what does that tell you?
Bilboblue
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inchy14 said:back to back relegation with him in the team,back to back promotion when he left.
what does that tell you?
That we had shite management who didn't know how to use him properly.
Get you head out of your arse, or are you Joe Royle?<br /><br />-- Thu May 05, 2011 8:21 am --<br /><br />
cinnamon blue said:where did he go after ajax , whats he doing now ? is he still a pal of nicky summerbee ?
After enduring two relegations with City, he joined Ajax in 1998, but did not settle and returned to England with Derby County a little over a year later. He spent four years at Derby, making nearly 100 appearances. After leaving Derby in 2003, he became a journeyman footballer, having unsuccessful trials at several clubs before joining Cypriot club Anorthosis Famagusta in 2004, where he won a league championship medal. He finished his playing career with Russian club Rubin Kazan in 2006.