Kloppy

[hallstreetblue]

How did he learn such good English?

Different night school to Mancini?

Most Germans can. Look at Kaiser Franz.

 

[Jimfv1]

The problem is you only ever see the best of Klopp, what about the 5 defeats and the 7 draws in the league this season?

Klopp is not blessed with the money to enrich his squad with high level rotation players. Subsequently their results have suffered a lot when a). forced to rotate and b). their top players are tired (the CL effect). Drag up a list of their results and have a look just how many of their dropped points were pre/post-Champions League.

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ie. First BL loss of season after Ajax, second BL loss of season before Real, third BL loss of season after City, fourth BL loss of season before Shakhtar, fifth BL loss of season after Shakthar... total losses in BL this season: 5, EVERY loss before or after a Champions League game. Feel free to argue against that but I believe that's a little more than a coincidence.

Or finishing a Champions League group of Arsenal, Olympiakos and Marseille with just 4 points, we had a tougher group and finished on 10 points last year.

This is an argument FOR Klopp not AGAINST. It shows he and his young team failed in his first effort (rather than his 6th/7th), learned from his mistake and made adjustments, and returned to take the Champions League by storm in his second attempt and in arguably the hardest group in recent years. On the contrary, our manager has gone back every single season and played the same way with the same flaws that have been systematically exploited by the cultured minds of European football. Last season's double header against Napoli when Mazzarri tactically outclassed Mancini twice was the first time I ever seriously doubted Mancini's level.

You lot need to take your fucking heads for a wobble. Mancini isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination but neither is any other manager in football.

Perfection is impossible in football but it doesn't mean there aren't ability levels/tiers. Mancini is a very good manager who sits on maybe the third or fourth level. But there are better and Klopp is better. Not just better but it could be argued better suited to the vision of a club with rich youth development that ours has, an environment Klopp has already flourished in, for example nurturing Mario Gotze from his first team debut aged 17 into becoming a world class young player.

Personally I'd love to see what Klopp could do with a young player with the outstanding raw ability of Marcos Lopes. I don't get the same excitement thinking about how Mancini could develop Lopes. Indeed, Lopes hasn't been seen since he got 3 minutes on the pitch and scored - something Scott Sinclair has failed to do in 390 minutes on the pitch yet we still see him preferred on the bench while Lopes has to make do with the U21 team...

Basically, a more detailed version of my post.

Totally agree.

Absolutely spot on. I would be happy if we kept Mancini for now, he is a good manager and if he stays I'm sure with a little tweaking he could win the league again, or the FA Cup.

However, there are a few managers out there who may improve what we have at our club. We keep the ball well when we have it and the teams passing is usually very good, but we could pass the ball much quicker and be a little more direct in our play sometimes. We need more speed in our midfield, which is now the more fashionable way to play in Europe and is something being adopted in the Premier League by teams like Chelsea, Swansea and Southampton.

We don't have enough young talent coming through from the Academy at the moment, and our players don't seem to have the strength to campaign in Europe as well as domestically. The German game is on the up, I think the Spanish league is narrowly second and the Premier league has plenty of teams capable of beating each other.

In all I think there are some managers out there who could lift City above all other English teams, and we could dominate like Bayern Munich do in their league. Different ideas, such as the training of Dortmunds players in passing should be welcomed at our club.

Klopp could be one of those managers who could take our club forward (equally could be De Boer, Heynkes, Pellegrini, Laudrup etc).

I trust our owners and board members to make the decision on Mancini's future. Hopefully it will all be kept private and if we carry on with Mancini I hope he realises his mistakes of the past and can correct them. This is what separates great managers from good ones.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Tbh as much as i like bobby we can't just keep handing him £100 mil every season. he also needs to name better back up targets Garcia as an alternative to De Rossi don't even get me started on that.

In reality we have to for the next 5 seasons at least till the academy starts producing.
Only Razak is of sufficient quality from the current crop. I have hope for Gudetti from the last crop but in reality he's only just match fit.

 

[noise]

Lol it's not even close, Klopp is easily better at managing players. Just look at the money they earn from Klopp's ability to turn players into superstars. Mancini turns players into flops: Mario, Dzeko, Sinclaire..

Not to mention Klopp is reinventing total football. While Mancini is struggling to get the team to do a simple formation transition.

Klopp won't transform Dzeko into anything other than what he is now.

I was not just talking about Dzeko, but since you bring it up. You mean like Felix Magath was able to? Not to mention Dzeko is a completely different player when playing for his national team (currently top scorer in the WC qualifiers in Europe).

We observed the same with Mario.

 

[hallstreetblue]

Really sorry for not wanting Mancini. For recognising that he's very average and that he sometimes looks like Steve McClaren against Croatia, but with a City scarf on and without the brolly. Sorry for not thinking he's the best thing since sliced bread and for even thinking that there are much better managers in europe. Sorry for having an opinion on a fan forum. Think I really need to take my head for a f-!*+ng wobble. Sorry.

 

[taconinja]

Lol it's not even close, Klopp is easily better at managing players. Just look at the money they earn from Klopp's ability to turn players into superstars. Mancini turns players into flops: Mario, Dzeko, Sinclaire..

Not to mention Klopp is reinventing total football. While Mancini is struggling to get the team to do a simple formation transition.

Klopp won't transform Dzeko into anything other than what he is now.

I was not just talking about Dzeko, but since you bring it up. You mean like Felix Magath was able to? Not to mention Dzeko is a completely different player when playing for his national team (currently top scorer in the WC qualifiers in Europe).

We observed the same with Mario.

You listed Dzeko so I am not sure why you're denying that as it's in the quote. Dont care about scoring for the national team. Don't care about the old minutes per goal that used to be brought up. I like Klopp. No matter who we hire, Dzeko is on his way out I hope and may he safe travels far, far away.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

"Kloppy"?! Jesus that's cringeworthy as fuck!

 

[hallstreetblue]

"Kloppy"?! Jesus that's cringeworthy as fuck!

The Germans call him Kloppo. Oh oh oh Juergen Kloppo! :)

 

[Phil1]

Really sorry for not wanting Mancini. For recognising that he's very average and that he sometimes looks like Steve McClaren against Croatia, but with a City scarf on and without the brolly. Sorry for not thinking he's the best thing since sliced bread and for even thinking that there are much better managers in europe. Sorry for having an opinion on a fan forum. Think I really need to take my head for a f-!*+ng wobble. Sorry.

You don't have to apologise for not thinking Mancini is the man to take us forward - you should probably apologise for coming on here, being as condescending as possible and not getting why people might come to the conclusion that you're a bit of a dick.

 

[cityboy1]

Tbh as much as i like bobby we can't just keep handing him £100 mil every season. he also needs to name better back up targets Garcia as an alternative to De Rossi don't even get me started on that.

In reality we have to for the next 5 seasons at least till the academy starts producing.
Only Razak is of sufficient quality from the current crop. I have hope for Gudetti from the last crop but in reality he's only just match fit.

suarez and lopez are just as capable as razak and i didn't mean using the academy, i meant we can't just give him £100 mil to rebuild the squad every seasons with massively expensive big names who would be on massive wages and who everyone else is after and if we miss out on his targets like hazard and de rossi he could name better back up targets instead of throwing a hissyfit about it and blaming everything on marwood.