Kolarov

[FrancoisToure]

deary me.

excuse me ?

Your post was mostly bullshit, is what JMW was trying to say.

Clichy is a fantastic fullback

No he is not. He is a fantastic defender with a ton of pace. A fantastic fullback is the full package (defend and attack).<br /><br />-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:47 am --<br /><br />

excuse me ?

Your post was mostly bullshit, is what JMW was trying to say.

Clichy is a fantastic fullback

in our system, we play with wing backs, clichy is not a wing back.

from wikipedia:

"The wing-back is a modern variation on the full-back with heavier emphasis on attack. The name is a portmanteau of "winger" and "full-back". They are usually employed in a 3-5-2 formation, and could therefore be considered part of the midfield, although they may also be used in a 5–3–2 formation, in which they would have a more defensive role.

In the evolution of the modern game, wing-backs are the combination of wingers and full-backs. As such, it is one of the most physically demanding positions in modern football. Wing-backs are often more adventurous than full-backs and are expected to provide width, especially in teams without wingers. A wing-back needs to be of exceptional stamina, be able to provide crosses upfield and defend effectively against opponents' attacks down the flanks. A defensive midfielder is usually fielded to cover the advances of wing-backs.[8]

Notable examples of former wingbacks are Giacinto Facchetti, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Gianluca Zambrotta, Nílton Santos, Carlos Alberto, Andreas Brehme, Leovegildo Júnior, Javier Zanetti and Bixente Lizarazu.

Some present day wingbacks include Dani Alves, Leighton Baines, Fábio Coentrão, Stephan Lichtsteiner, Maicon, Jordi Alba, Phillip Lahm, Kelley O'Hara, Ali Krieger and Marcelo."

Is that you Manuel...because I am pretty sure none of us know what our system is right now.

 

[bluethunder]

Your post was mostly bullshit, is what JMW was trying to say.

Clichy is a fantastic fullback

in our system, we play with wing backs, clichy is not a wing back.

from wikipedia:

"The wing-back is a modern variation on the full-back with heavier emphasis on attack. The name is a portmanteau of "winger" and "full-back". They are usually employed in a 3-5-2 formation, and could therefore be considered part of the midfield, although they may also be used in a 5–3–2 formation, in which they would have a more defensive role.

In the evolution of the modern game, wing-backs are the combination of wingers and full-backs. As such, it is one of the most physically demanding positions in modern football. Wing-backs are often more adventurous than full-backs and are expected to provide width, especially in teams without wingers. A wing-back needs to be of exceptional stamina, be able to provide crosses upfield and defend effectively against opponents' attacks down the flanks. A defensive midfielder is usually fielded to cover the advances of wing-backs.[8]

Notable examples of former wingbacks are Giacinto Facchetti, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Gianluca Zambrotta, Nílton Santos, Carlos Alberto, Andreas Brehme, Leovegildo Júnior, Javier Zanetti and Bixente Lizarazu.

Some present day wingbacks include Dani Alves, Leighton Baines, Fábio Coentrão, Stephan Lichtsteiner, Maicon, Jordi Alba, Phillip Lahm, Kelley O'Hara, Ali Krieger and Marcelo."

We started with wingbacks about six times last season and changed to it about another five. And it worked about twice. All the other times it was a disaster. To suggest it was, or will be, our default formation is nonsense.

our formation was narrow last year, the full-backs were expected to play as wing backs and provide the width, zabaleta did his job. kolarov did as well but he lacked in defence. clichy can only defend, no attack.

this year we're probaly going to play with a winger(navas/milner) on the right, so no wing-back is required there. but on the left, we have no wingers which means we need a wing-back there.

 

[FrancoisToure]

in our system, we play with wing backs, clichy is not a wing back.

from wikipedia:

"The wing-back is a modern variation on the full-back with heavier emphasis on attack. The name is a portmanteau of "winger" and "full-back". They are usually employed in a 3-5-2 formation, and could therefore be considered part of the midfield, although they may also be used in a 5–3–2 formation, in which they would have a more defensive role.

In the evolution of the modern game, wing-backs are the combination of wingers and full-backs. As such, it is one of the most physically demanding positions in modern football. Wing-backs are often more adventurous than full-backs and are expected to provide width, especially in teams without wingers. A wing-back needs to be of exceptional stamina, be able to provide crosses upfield and defend effectively against opponents' attacks down the flanks. A defensive midfielder is usually fielded to cover the advances of wing-backs.[8]

Notable examples of former wingbacks are Giacinto Facchetti, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Gianluca Zambrotta, Nílton Santos, Carlos Alberto, Andreas Brehme, Leovegildo Júnior, Javier Zanetti and Bixente Lizarazu.

Some present day wingbacks include Dani Alves, Leighton Baines, Fábio Coentrão, Stephan Lichtsteiner, Maicon, Jordi Alba, Phillip Lahm, Kelley O'Hara, Ali Krieger and Marcelo."

We started with wingbacks about six times last season and changed to it about another five. And it worked about twice. All the other times it was a disaster. To suggest it was, or will be, our default formation is nonsense.

our formation was narrow last year, the full-backs were expected to play as wing backs and provide the width, zabaleta did his job. kolarov did as well but he lacked in defence. clichy can only defend, no attack.

psst...Mancini was sacked.

 

[Rolee]

in our system, we play with wing backs, clichy is not a wing back.

from wikipedia:

"The wing-back is a modern variation on the full-back with heavier emphasis on attack. The name is a portmanteau of "winger" and "full-back". They are usually employed in a 3-5-2 formation, and could therefore be considered part of the midfield, although they may also be used in a 5–3–2 formation, in which they would have a more defensive role.

In the evolution of the modern game, wing-backs are the combination of wingers and full-backs. As such, it is one of the most physically demanding positions in modern football. Wing-backs are often more adventurous than full-backs and are expected to provide width, especially in teams without wingers. A wing-back needs to be of exceptional stamina, be able to provide crosses upfield and defend effectively against opponents' attacks down the flanks. A defensive midfielder is usually fielded to cover the advances of wing-backs.[8]

Notable examples of former wingbacks are Giacinto Facchetti, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Gianluca Zambrotta, Nílton Santos, Carlos Alberto, Andreas Brehme, Leovegildo Júnior, Javier Zanetti and Bixente Lizarazu.

Some present day wingbacks include Dani Alves, Leighton Baines, Fábio Coentrão, Stephan Lichtsteiner, Maicon, Jordi Alba, Phillip Lahm, Kelley O'Hara, Ali Krieger and Marcelo."

We started with wingbacks about six times last season and changed to it about another five. And it worked about twice. All the other times it was a disaster. To suggest it was, or will be, our default formation is nonsense.

our formation was narrow last year, the full-backs were expected to play as wing backs and provide the width, zabaleta did his job. kolarov did as well but he lacked in defence. clichy can only defend, no attack.

They were attacking full backs mate, not wing backs. As in the wiki piece you posted wing backs are deployed when playing three central defenders. As Dave points out Mancini used 3 CBs on just a handful of occasions and as far as I'm aware Pellegrini doesn't play with 3 CBs.

 

[bluethunder]

We started with wingbacks about six times last season and changed to it about another five. And it worked about twice. All the other times it was a disaster. To suggest it was, or will be, our default formation is nonsense.

our formation was narrow last year, the full-backs were expected to play as wing backs and provide the width, zabaleta did his job. kolarov did as well but he lacked in defence. clichy can only defend, no attack.

psst...Mancini was sacked.

pellegrini didnt buy a left-winger did he ?

so who's going to provide the width on the left ? clichy ?

 

[FrancoisToure]

our formation was narrow last year, the full-backs were expected to play as wing backs and provide the width, zabaleta did his job. kolarov did as well but he lacked in defence. clichy can only defend, no attack.

psst...Mancini was sacked.

pellegrini didnt buy a left-winger did he ?

so who's going to provide the width on the left ? clichy ?

That depends on the formation we play doesn't it?

 

[bluethunder]

We started with wingbacks about six times last season and changed to it about another five. And it worked about twice. All the other times it was a disaster. To suggest it was, or will be, our default formation is nonsense.

our formation was narrow last year, the full-backs were expected to play as wing backs and provide the width, zabaleta did his job. kolarov did as well but he lacked in defence. clichy can only defend, no attack.

They were attacking full backs mate, not wing backs. As in the wiki piece you posted wing backs are deployed when playing three central defenders. As Dave points out Mancini used 3 CBs on just a handful of occasions and as far as I'm aware Pellegrini doesn't deploy wingbacks.

not necessarily w, you can have to central defenders and two wing backs.

 

[Rolee]

our formation was narrow last year, the full-backs were expected to play as wing backs and provide the width, zabaleta did his job. kolarov did as well but he lacked in defence. clichy can only defend, no attack.

They were attacking full backs mate, not wing backs. As in the wiki piece you posted wing backs are deployed when playing three central defenders. As Dave points out Mancini used 3 CBs on just a handful of occasions and as far as I'm aware Pellegrini doesn't deploy wingbacks.

not necessarily w, you can have to central defenders and two wing backs.

You're now contradicting the wiki piece you posted. They are attacking full backs when playing four at the back.

 

[bluethunder]

psst...Mancini was sacked.

pellegrini didnt buy a left-winger did he ?

so who's going to provide the width on the left ? clichy ?

That depends on the formation we play doesn't it?

it is clear we're going to play the 4-4-2 .<br /><br />-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:02 pm --<br /><br />

They were attacking full backs mate, not wing backs. As in the wiki piece you posted wing backs are deployed when playing three central defenders. As Dave points out Mancini used 3 CBs on just a handful of occasions and as far as I'm aware Pellegrini doesn't deploy wingbacks.

not necessarily w, you can have to central defenders and two wing backs.

You're now contradicting the wiki piece you posted. They are attacking full backs when playing four at the back.

the wiki article says uses the word "usually".

 

[FrancoisToure]

it is clear we're going to play the 4-4-2 .

Wow. Ok, I am done with this particular discussion.