Kolarov

[Rammy Blue]

You need to stop digging. You're all over the place.

Don't bother mate, not worth replying.

 

[bluethunder]

No that's a 4-2-3-1. It doesn't matter what the players are listed as. When we played with 3 and 4 strikers under Mancini does that mean we were playing 4-2-4? No. Yaya was playing as the #10, just like he did under Mancini when NDJ came on. 4-4-2 would be set up like this.

Hart
Zab Kompany Nastasi Clichy

Milner Fernandinho Yaya Barry

Dzeko Negredo

4-4-1-1 would have Dzeko and Negredo lined up 1 behind the other.

the 4-2-3-1 when played with two forwards IS 4-4-2. when played with 1 striker it is a 4-5-1 , i.e. 4 defenders, 5 midfielders, 1 striker.

obviously yaya usually plays as a midfielder, but yesterday he did not, he was a center forward.

-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:08 pm --

To me 4-4-2 implies a flat midfield four behind two strikers..

you are wrong. any team that plays with 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 forwards is playing the 4-4-2 .

the midfield does not have to be flat, it can be a diamond, a square etc.

You need to stop digging. You're all over the place.

instead of using buzz phrases like "stop digging , you're all over the place" , why not prove me wrong ? oh wait, you can't.

 

[lost_n_spaced]

the formation was like this:


-------------------- --Hart

---LB--------CB----------------CB---------RB

--------- -DM/CM-------------DM/CM

---RW/RM-----------CF (Toure)---------LAM

------------------------ST


It is a 4-4-2 because there was two forwards, yaya played as a forward because aguero, jovetic and negredo weren't fully fit. negredo came on for yaya late in the game.

No that's a 4-2-3-1. It doesn't matter what the players are listed as. When we played with 3 and 4 strikers under Mancini does that mean we were playing 4-2-4? No. Yaya was playing as the #10, just like he did under Mancini when NDJ came on. 4-4-2 would be set up like this.

Hart
Zab Kompany Nastasi Clichy

Milner Fernandinho Yaya Barry

Dzeko Negredo

4-4-1-1 would have Dzeko and Negredo lined up 1 behind the other.

the 4-2-3-1 when played with two forwards IS 4-4-2. when played with 1 forward it is a 4-5-1 , i.e. 4 defenders, 5 midfielders, 1 striker.

obviously yaya usually plays as a midfielder, but yesterday he did not, he was a center forward.

-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:08 pm --

the formation was like this:


-------------------- --Hart

---LB--------CB----------------CB---------RB

--------- -DM/CM-------------DM/CM

---RW/RM-----------CF (Toure)---------LAM

------------------------ST


It is a 4-4-2 because there was two forwards, yaya played as a forward because aguero, jovetic and negredo weren't fully fit. negredo came on for yaya late in the game.

To me 4-4-2 implies a flat midfield four behind two strikers..

you are wrong. any team that plays with 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 forwards is playing the 4-4-2 .

the midfield does not have to be flat, it can be a diamond, a square etc.

Question : The match where we put David James upfront (was it Boro last day of the season ?) were we playing 2-3-4-2 ?

Didn't think so.

 

[thesilvalining]

the formation was like this:


-------------------- --Hart

---LB--------CB----------------CB---------RB

--------- -DM/CM-------------DM/CM

---RW/RM-----------CF (Toure)---------LAM

------------------------ST


It is a 4-4-2 because there was two forwards, yaya played as a forward because aguero, jovetic and negredo weren't fully fit. negredo came on for yaya late in the game.

No that's a 4-2-3-1. It doesn't matter what the players are listed as. When we played with 3 and 4 strikers under Mancini does that mean we were playing 4-2-4? No. Yaya was playing as the #10, just like he did under Mancini when NDJ came on. 4-4-2 would be set up like this.

Hart
Zab Kompany Nastasi Clichy

Milner Fernandinho Yaya Barry

Dzeko Negredo

4-4-1-1 would have Dzeko and Negredo lined up 1 behind the other.

the 4-2-3-1 when played with two forwards IS 4-4-2. when played with 1 forward it is a 4-5-1 , i.e. 4 defenders, 5 midfielders, 1 striker.

obviously yaya usually plays as a midfielder, but yesterday he did not, he was a center forward.

-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:08 pm --

the formation was like this:


-------------------- --Hart

---LB--------CB----------------CB---------RB

--------- -DM/CM-------------DM/CM

---RW/RM-----------CF (Toure)---------LAM

------------------------ST


It is a 4-4-2 because there was two forwards, yaya played as a forward because aguero, jovetic and negredo weren't fully fit. negredo came on for yaya late in the game.

To me 4-4-2 implies a flat midfield four behind two strikers..

you are wrong. any team that plays with 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 forwards is playing the 4-4-2 .

the midfield does not have to be flat, it can be a diamond, a square etc.

a diamond is 4-1-2-1-2
if it was 4-4-2 there would be 2 strikers, hence the 2 bit. playing behind the striker is not playing as a striker and if it was in front of a flat four it would be 4-4-1-1. but it was a 4-2-3-1 with milner yaya and nasri behind dzeko. your lack of football knowledge is shocking and your argument isn't making any sense at all. there is absolutely 0 chance of us playing 4-4-2 next season because it is a shit formation for a passing team. only players with brithish managers play that shit

well play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, please don't ever play football manager.

 

[bluethunder]

No that's a 4-2-3-1. It doesn't matter what the players are listed as. When we played with 3 and 4 strikers under Mancini does that mean we were playing 4-2-4? No. Yaya was playing as the #10, just like he did under Mancini when NDJ came on. 4-4-2 would be set up like this.

Hart
Zab Kompany Nastasi Clichy

Milner Fernandinho Yaya Barry

Dzeko Negredo

4-4-1-1 would have Dzeko and Negredo lined up 1 behind the other.

the 4-2-3-1 when played with two forwards IS 4-4-2. when played with 1 forward it is a 4-5-1 , i.e. 4 defenders, 5 midfielders, 1 striker.

obviously yaya usually plays as a midfielder, but yesterday he did not, he was a center forward.

-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:08 pm --

To me 4-4-2 implies a flat midfield four behind two strikers..

you are wrong. any team that plays with 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 forwards is playing the 4-4-2 .

the midfield does not have to be flat, it can be a diamond, a square etc.

Question : The match where we put David James upfront (was it Boro last day of the season ?) were we playing 2-3-4-2 ?

Didn't think so.

weaver went in goal, so no, it was not a 2-3-4-2.

 

[George Hannah]

kolarov?

 

[bluethunder]

No that's a 4-2-3-1. It doesn't matter what the players are listed as. When we played with 3 and 4 strikers under Mancini does that mean we were playing 4-2-4? No. Yaya was playing as the #10, just like he did under Mancini when NDJ came on. 4-4-2 would be set up like this.

Hart
Zab Kompany Nastasi Clichy

Milner Fernandinho Yaya Barry

Dzeko Negredo

4-4-1-1 would have Dzeko and Negredo lined up 1 behind the other.

the 4-2-3-1 when played with two forwards IS 4-4-2. when played with 1 forward it is a 4-5-1 , i.e. 4 defenders, 5 midfielders, 1 striker.

obviously yaya usually plays as a midfielder, but yesterday he did not, he was a center forward.

-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:08 pm --

To me 4-4-2 implies a flat midfield four behind two strikers..

you are wrong. any team that plays with 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 forwards is playing the 4-4-2 .

the midfield does not have to be flat, it can be a diamond, a square etc.

a diamond is 4-1-2-1-2.

it's also a 4-4-2 if there's 4 defenders, 4 midfielders, and 2 forwards. its a 4-3-3, when there's 4 defenders, 3 midfielders, and 3 forwards. clearly you don't know what i'm talking about because you're ignorant. its okay to not know something, it is okay to be ignorant of something, there's no shame in that.

 

[lost_n_spaced]

the 4-2-3-1 when played with two forwards IS 4-4-2. when played with 1 forward it is a 4-5-1 , i.e. 4 defenders, 5 midfielders, 1 striker.

obviously yaya usually plays as a midfielder, but yesterday he did not, he was a center forward.

-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:08 pm --




you are wrong. any team that plays with 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 forwards is playing the 4-4-2 .

the midfield does not have to be flat, it can be a diamond, a square etc.

Question : The match where we put David James upfront (was it Boro last day of the season ?) were we playing 2-3-4-2 ?

Didn't think so.

weaver went in goal, so no, it was not a 2-3-4-2.

If 'any team playing with 4 defenders, 4 midfielders & 2 forwards is playing 4-4-2', then surely - bye the same skewed logic - any team playing with 2 keepers is playing 2-something-something-something.

 

[teddykgb]

this is an especially stupid argument, even for bluemoon

nowadays, the formations are so fluid that the 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 really mostly addresses where players stand on the pitch for about 3 seconds after the match starts. 4-1-3-2 becomes 4-4-2 in defense and 4-1-4-1 in attack. 4-3-2-1 becomes 4-3-3 in attack, etc. Nominally, most formations are just variants of a 4-4-2, 4-5-1, or 5 at the back or 3 at the back formations. It's a really, really, really dumb argument to have because nobody is ever really wrong or right.

 

[thesilvalining]

the 4-2-3-1 when played with two forwards IS 4-4-2. when played with 1 forward it is a 4-5-1 , i.e. 4 defenders, 5 midfielders, 1 striker.

obviously yaya usually plays as a midfielder, but yesterday he did not, he was a center forward.

-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:08 pm --




you are wrong. any team that plays with 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 forwards is playing the 4-4-2 .

the midfield does not have to be flat, it can be a diamond, a square etc.

a diamond is 4-1-2-1-2.

it's also a 4-4-2 if there's 4 defenders, 4 midfielders, and 2 forwards. its a 4-3-3, when there's 4 defenders, 3 midfielders, and 3 forwards. clearly you don't know what i'm talking about because you're ignorant. its okay to not know something, it is okay to be ignorant of something, there's no shame in that.

a 4-4-2 is played like this:
gk
rb cb cb lb
rm cm cm lm
st st

a 4-2-3-1 is played like this:
gk
rb cb cb lb
cdm cdm
cam cf cam
st
a 4-2-3-1 uses a cf like how tevez was last season even closer to the striker that the 2 cam
and a 4-3-3 is usually 4 defenders 3 midfielders 2 wingers and 1 striker actually so youre wrong again, how am I meant to understand what youre trying to say when you don't have a clue yourself<br /><br />-- Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:07 pm --<br /><br />

this is an especially stupid argument, even for bluemoon

nowadays, the formations are so fluid that the 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 really mostly addresses where players stand on the pitch for about 3 seconds after the match starts. 4-1-3-2 becomes 4-4-2 in defense and 4-1-4-1 in attack. 4-3-2-1 becomes 4-3-3 in attack, etc. Nominally, most formations are just variants of a 4-4-2, 4-5-1, or 5 at the back or 3 at the back formations. It's a really, really, really dumb argument to have because nobody is ever really wrong or right.

bluethunder is wrong actually