La Liga 2013/14

greasedupdeafguy said:
C Velz said:
supercrystal7 said:
Ronaldo's role in the team under Mourinho was no different than Di Maria's.
And that's where your argument is just completely wrong. I'm sure you know that Ronaldo has a vastly different role for RM in comparison to di María; if you don't it is startling news. The goal totals mean very little; it is very clear that Ronaldo is the first, second, and third option at the capital club. You can see it when he commands the ball in the final third and how he takes shots from ridiculous angles.

He shows very little football-IQ at times -- look at the match against Athletic Club yesterday, diMa was open on the left wing at one point but Ronaldo refused to acknowledge his presence -- and his insistence on scoring makes him an almost intolerable teammate at times:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ZopQxh8-U[/youtube]

I'm not one to look at statistics as a measure of judging a "one-man-team" or not; ask any perceptive culé and they will tell you that Messi bailed out Barça consistently due to Tito's (lack of) ability as a coach. Ask any perceptive Madridista about how often Ronaldo gets the ball in a promising position and takes a wild shot and you will see a standard response.

If I recall correctly, Ronaldo takes the most "out of distance" attempts in European football. He almost certainly takes more shots than all of his attacking teammates combined; I don't know the exact numbers, but I am very sure that Ronaldo takes more shots than Bale, Benzema, di María, Jesé, and Morata.

Since you're insistent on using stats, lets compare Ronaldo's shots in the 2011-12 season, and compare that total to Higuaín, Benzema, Özil, di María, Kaká.

Ronaldo: 264 shots
"The Rest": 272 shots

It's astonishing. If I do the same thing for 2010-11, I guarantee that you will see the same phenomena. This reeks of a player taking almost any attempt he can get, and seeing as how Ronaldo's dribbling has clearly devolved under Mourinho, you can see that Ronaldo isn't creating these chances by himself. The vast majority of his goals are directly assisted -- that is not a coincidence.

Ancelotti is playing nearly the same style as Mourinho was the previous season. RM can dominate the weaker teams but against a team with a good midfield they struggle. Look at Modrić for instance -- hailed as RM's best player this season, yet he has never played well against a good midfield with RM. No surprises.

Against well-drilled sides, Real Madrid are shown up. Barcelona in 2011, Bayern in 2012, Dortmund in 2013. Coincidentally they all target the capital club's weakness -- the left flank. And that leads me to the crux of RM's issues: their most recognised footballer makes them the most unbalanced "elite" team in world football.

-- Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:09 am --

greasedupdeafguy said:
Give me one better?
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Although an Atlético success would be a true "child's tale" story, greater upsets have occurred in football. Some of them very recent; most people would look at Porto's 2004 European conquest but they would have never won it without ridiculous referee decisions throughout the entire knock-out stage.
Had Greece in mind also Forest winning two european cups on the bounce but theres always luck involved with knockout competitions. To get more points than Barce or Madrid over a 38 game season would be much more impressive imo. Especially when you consider who they've sold over the past few summers.
Don't forget Villa beating Bayern in 82 for the European Cup and beating Barca the following season for the European Super Cup.
 
bugsyblue said:
Aupa atleti! I would love atletico to win it, not only because they are my second team, but because I think it would be a fantastic achievement given the wealth discrepancy between them and Madrid/barca.

Not sure they have the squad to last the distance though.

Aupa Atleti - absolutely mate
El "cholo" will get every single ounce out of this squad - right till the death. Will it be enough seeing we´re still in 3 comps? Bringing back Diego will defo help and give us a little more creativity and squad depth so who knows. Nice to see him notch on his return
3 mega games v the white trash coming up for sure
 
karen7 said:
Real Madrid v Athletico Madrid in the cup semi final tonite 6.55pm on sky1 followed by Barca v Real Sociedad


already got the TV booked and the little one will be in bed by then
 
Valencia sign Otamendi for the Summer, 12 million euros.

Means Lim's takeover back on?
 
karen7 said:
half time in barca match and they have had 85% possession,scary

Should be drawing or possibly getting beat and be down to 10 men, rather than the other way round.

Ref's bottled it due to where it is, and the fact Vela still attempts to go for the shot even though Mascherano's pulling him down. If he'd have thrown himself theatrically to the ground he'd have been more likely to get the pen and would have defo been red for Mascherano as he was last man. Which is stupid as the ref's shouldn't be depending on him to go to ground in order to give the pen as it just instills in the players to go down easy.

From that they go up the other end, score a stuffy goal and then Sociedad's captain gets sent off (probably for saying something to the ref).
 
RyanP3609 said:
karen7 said:
half time in barca match and they have had 85% possession,scary

Should be drawing or possibly getting beat and be down to 10 men, rather than the other way round.

Ref's bottled it due to where it is, and the fact Vela still attempts to go for the shot even though Mascherano's pulling him down. If he'd have thrown himself theatrically to the ground he'd have been more likely to get the pen and would have defo been red for Mascherano as he was last man. Which is stupid as the ref's shouldn't be depending on him to go to ground in order to give the pen as it just instills in the players to go down easy.

From that they go up the other end, score a stuffy goal and then Sociedad's captain gets sent off (probably for saying something to the ref).

I missed most of the first half so didn't see most of what you have said,i seem to have missed all the fun
 
Bale seems to play much better when Ronaldo isn't there hogging the ball but sadly for him Ronaldo isn't going anywhere he'll never get the hype Ronaldo does no matter what he does.

Bale, Di Maria, Benzema and Jese look great and are young they could actually afford to ship Ronaldo out to PSG or Monaco for big bucks now he's approaching his 30s and have a great team and not just the Ronaldo + 10 others show.
 
Malty said:
Bale seems to play much better when Ronaldo isn't there hogging the ball but sadly for him Ronaldo isn't going anywhere he'll never get the hype Ronaldo does no matter what he does.

Bale, Di Maria, Benzema and Jese look great and are young they could actually afford to ship Ronaldo out to PSG or Monaco for big bucks now he's approaching his 30s and have a great team and not just the Ronaldo + 10 others show.
Don't really agree about Bale. It's a bit like people say Nasri is better without Silva. Saw the first half and watching it now, but not seen much difference in Bale's performance. Benzema got on the end of a deflected cross. Ronaldo has been letting him take free kicks from the right for a while now too.

Despite all the front 3 scoring today without Ronaldo they are just not that special. The whole team is more balanced than it has been for a while, but the balance of power is shifting to the Premiership teams again.
 

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