Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

Personally I'd like Dan Jarvis, he's young and charismatic, and his forces background would appeal to a great deal of the voters Labour has since alienated whilst not being too Blairite. Outside of that Hillary Benn or Keir Starmer would do. With the party in mass revolt, Corbyn simply cannot hang on, he's challenging someone to challenge him in a contest knowing that 38degrees lot in the labour membership would mobilise their vitriolic leftie mouths and he'd win again. He must resign for the party to move on from his abysmal leadership.
 
bluemoonmatt said:
Personally I'd like Dan Jarvis, he's young and charismatic, and his forces background would appeal to a great deal of the voters Labour has since alienated whilst not being too Blairite. Outside of that Hillary Benn or Keir Starmer would do. With the party in mass revolt, Corbyn simply cannot hang on, he's challenging someone to challenge him in a contest knowing that 38degrees lot in the labour membership would mobilise their vitriolic leftie mouths and he'd win again. He must resign for the party to move on from his abysmal leadership.
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I liked Dan Jarvis when I read about him then read some of his ideas, he isn't going to unite the party niether will Benn who I touted along with stella creasy as my choices as Leader when Ed went before anyone had put in. But now I woudn't vote for him. But unfortunately there really isn't a John Smith type there I could name to bring the party back into a peacefull co-existance.

Looks like Watsons gonna be leader for a bit, but I cannot see how they can form a new shaddow cabinet of the rebels and ones loyal to Corbyn. If they oust all the ones supporting him then they are still split
 
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bluemoonmatt said:
Personally I'd like Dan Jarvis, he's young and charismatic, and his forces background would appeal to a great deal of the voters Labour has since alienated whilst not being too Blairite. Outside of that Hillary Benn or Keir Starmer would do. With the party in mass revolt, Corbyn simply cannot hang on, he's challenging someone to challenge him in a contest knowing that 38degrees lot in the labour membership would mobilise their vitriolic leftie mouths and he'd win again. He must resign for the party to move on from his abysmal leadership.
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Very good points about Jarvis. I think people underestimate how patriotic and militarily friendly the traditional Labour working class is. I mean take a trip through these places and see all the flags of St George and contrast with 'leafy'', 'Bohemian' Chorlton. Having said that it's not all about flags. The coalition government during the Second World War was jam packed full of passionate left wing patriots, you had Major Dennis Healey hugely proud of his uniform and James Callaghan being close to tears and incredibly proud of being the PM of the country he loved not to mention his naval background.

I was reading an article a few days back with Labour remain candidates, they were canvassing in Walsall, Dudley and Doncaster I think and the general consensus with all three was that Corbyn was disliked and as a result huge negativity to Labour, they noted that the IRA and Corbyn's (to the people being canvassed) hatred of Britain was mentioned frequently. Now I don't know him so I've no idea if these accusations about hating Britain are true but it's food for thought.
 
You gotta love the last few days- it’s the most fun the people have had since we lopped off Charles I ‘s head.
The level of delusion being displayed by the political class and their sycophantic press and TV pundits had been as good as Faulty towers for comic value. The labour MP’s are trying to promote the removal of Corbyn and his replacement with one of the nobodies who were handed their arses by the electorate in 2015 as part of the Milliband team. The SNP want independence from Westminster but dependence on the EU in-spite of the fact that they have not refined the economic policies that failed the last time.
 
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Very good points about Jarvis. I think people underestimate how patriotic and militarily friendly the traditional Labour working class is. I mean take a trip through these places and see all the flags of St George and contrast with 'leafy'', 'Bohemian' Chorlton. Having said that it's not all about flags. The coalition government during the Second World War was jam packed full of passionate left wing patriots, you had Major Dennis Healey hugely proud of his uniform and James Callaghan being close to tears and incredibly proud of being the PM of the country he loved not to mention his naval background.

I was reading an article a few days back with Labour remain candidates, they were canvassing in Walsall, Dudley and Doncaster I think and the general consensus with all three was that Corbyn was disliked and as a result huge negativity to Labour, they noted that the IRA and Corbyn's (to the people being canvassed) hatred of Britain was mentioned frequently. Now I don't know him so I've no idea if these accusations about hating Britain are true but it's food for thought.
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That just proves that the media campaign against him worked, but then he doesn't help himself with this not talking to certain journos or playing the game, made him an easy target.

Back onto Javis as I said he appealed to me, and his background will appeal to many, but he has said he isn't one for joining the coup, which is wise so as not to alienate the membership who will back corbyn, and in march he distanced himself from blairism. so maybe he can unite the party, but whatever shadow cabinet comes from that will need to recognise and represent all factions or the party will be forever in turmoil, Unity is needed and a person to do it just as John Smith did.
 
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urban genie said:
That just proves that the media campaign against him worked, but then he doesn't help himself with this not talking to certain journos or playing the game, made him an easy target.

Back onto Javis as I said he appealed to me, and his background will appeal to many, but he has said he isn't one for joining the coup, which is wise so as not to alienate the membership who will back corbyn, and in march he distanced himself from blairism. so maybe he can unite the party, but whatever shadow cabinet comes from that will need to recognise and represent all factions or the party will be forever in turmoil, Unity is needed and a person to do it just as John Smith did.
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First Corbyn has to resign then the executive commitee must ensure no one similar like that unspeakable div Abbot gets enough nominations. Once he's resigned then anyone can canvas. It's entirely natural that not one potential candidate has spoken of ambition at this stage as Corbyn would just say "right we'll put it to the membership" knowing that momentum mob (earlier I got the wrong group) would ensure his victory. We're reliant on his resignation, it might have to wait till conference cos he's showing no evidence of fucking off quietly, which speaks volumes about the excuse of a man that he is.
 
Labour party is in terminal decline because the m p s arnt representing what there constitutes voted for simple answer deselect the mp and start with someone fresh
 
Joke Labour MP's, the majority of them lost the Brexit vote in their own constituencies. Shithouse's are not in tune with the labour voters or Labour Party.
 
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Labour party is in terminal decline because the m p s arnt representing what there constitutes voted for simple answer deselect the mp and start with someone fresh
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There are two Labour parties though. One part is like Corbyn and quite left wing. The other is actually quite right wing and reactionary in many of their views. That's the party of the ordinary person in places like Manchester and Newcastle.

When the left v right battles were going on in the party in the 1980`s, I was a workplace union secretary at a big factory and the chairman was (and still is) a well known local Labour politician. He used words like "the masters" when talking about senior factory management but he was quite right wing in many of his social views which shocked me a bit.

But then I realised that he was quite representative of the way ordinary working people thought. They are, by nature, quite conservative in their stock beliefs,which is why so many of them turned to Thatcher, who they saw as someone who understood them a day their aspirations. They normally hated Tories but trusted her far more than they did an intellectual like Michael Foot, Ed Miliband or even Jeremy Corbyn. They need someone who's worked for a living rather than gone to Oxbridge then straight into a think-tank or been a political advisor, brought up a family and actually understands their lives.
 
They have raised some good reasons for jezza to go, but I can't help feeling that the mp's involved in the coup have their own interests more at heart than either their party or their country. The whole thing is a pretty opportunistic ambush, and frankly although corbyn doesn't look electable, I can't think of a plausible alternative within the party. The blairites will lose votes to the Tories as people prefer the real thing, and the lefties will probably all vote green in protest. This will of course all continue to be Jeremy's fault so as to save the political careers of others.
 
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They have raised some good reasons for jezza to go, but I can't help feeling that the mp's involved in the coup have their own interests more at heart than either their party or their country. The whole thing is a pretty opportunistic ambush, and frankly although corbyn doesn't look electable, I can't think of a plausible alternative within the party. The blairites will lose votes to the Tories as people prefer the real thing, and the lefties will probably all vote green in protest. This will of course all continue to be Jeremy's fault so as to save the political careers of others.
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The ones who have gone are many that were entrenched as either brownites or blairites and it seems the only thing they dislike more than each other is a socialist, opportunism at it's worse. I can see why and some what agree corbyn is seen as unelectable and not the right choice, but this lot have never attempted to give him a chance or put hiscase, they have plotted and spun against him from day 1. as someone said earlier in the thread in any workplace this would be classed as bullying. But this is politics and he has been in it long enough to know the game.
One was quoted yesterday as saying they were doing this as no seat is safe outside London. just after protecting their cushy jobs.
These mp's disgrace the party just as much as the far left did in the 80's. selfish cunts

All pretty much embarrasing really. Keep corbyn will be unelectable, grt rid of corbyn still unelectable
 
Prestwich Blue's analysis of the labour party is 100% accurate.
If they decide on a leader that represents the views of most traditional labour voters, it'll sicken me to see the likes of corbyn's cronies trying to crawl their way back into the limelight. They'll have to learn that nobody wants some pc, career politician telling us what's best for us.
 
Dan Jarvis would be the best choice, they certainly need a northerner or even just a normal person. Corbyn is so out of touch with his voters it's ridiculous. UKIP are going to sweep many Northern seats in the next general election unless Labour act now. It's astonishing he's actually got the cheek to stay on after all the resignations and his own backbenchers calling for him to resign as he speaks in the chamber.

Corbyn better be praying for no by elections in Northern industrial areas or South Wales because UKIP will win, there is no doubt about it.They are doomed everywhere outside of London with him in charge.
 
I think Corbyns teetering on being a dead duck, and he will go at some point, but I dissagree that traditional long serving labour supporters don't want a left leaning party, but this coup has nothing to do with the referndum results or the wellfare of their traditional heartlands, they were planning this if we were in or out of europe. as the telegraph reported on the 13th of june.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...o-topple-jeremy-corbyn-in-24-hour-blitz-afte/
 
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