Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

jay_mcfc said:
Perhaps all of those people who voted leave to make a stand against the establishment (as we were told) would have been better off waiting for the next election and voting for Corbyn, after all he seems to be the kind of humane MP Britain has been waiting for? Or perhaps it they weren't making a stand at all?
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Can't speak for others but I wasn't voting for or against any politicians but if one of the unintended side effects from the vote leads to the 2 main parties getting their shit together and re-engaging with an apathetic public then that's a good thing surely?

As for Corbyn, I'm sure he means well at times but the cynic in me thinks he's no different to many of the others - after all, someone who has been a Euro-sceptic throughout most of his political career threw his so-called principles out of the window when positioning himself on the Remain side.
 
If labour have a cabal of back stabbers they need to get rid, just the very news of that Benn sneaking around behind his back left me exhausted with despair for the political machine in this country. They really do spend half their time having petty inter office squabbles yet this is supposed to be part and parcel of it?
You need a range of views but this just sounds like complete bullshit. Whatever the reasons, having mp's put so much effort into surreptitious dealings really angers me.
If you are there for the good of the country you should all be able to work together far better than they currently do.

It certainly shows me the idea of transparency in government probably gets laughed at by these very fuckers. Fuck you Benn for spending one second of public office sneaking around like that and the rest of your ilk.
 
M18CTID said:
Can't speak for others but I wasn't voting for or against any politicians but if one of the unintended side effects from the vote leads to the 2 main parties getting their shit together and re-engaging with an apathetic public then that's a good thing surely?

As for Corbyn, I'm sure he means well at times but the cynic in me thinks he's no different to many of the others - after all, someone who has been a Euro-sceptic throughout most of his political career threw his so-called principles out of the window when positioning himself on the Remain side.
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You really think Corbyn campaigned as best he could to stay in the EU? I've not seen too many political campaigns where one of the leading players says he's 'lukewarm' about the very thing he is 'fighting' for. Despite the turmoil at Labour, this is the best chance Corbyn has of ever being PM.
 
I said before the referendum that democratically neither party had a mandate to continue following a Brexit vote and so far the meltdown is reflective of a constitutional crisis in the major parties. Even the Lib Dems should be open to the reason why they suffered such a huge election defeat, like Labour they are no longer in touch with the vast majority of the country.

Cameron and Farage are the only ones who have done the right thing so far based upon what has happened and what needs to happen. Corbyn may have the mandate from the Labour party members but that is all. His position is untenable and for Labour to have any chance of success he has to go so that they can build a credible opposition to Tory plans. So far not a single member of Labour has offered anything that even remotely considers a post Brexit Britain and they never will because Labour is now a movement and not a political party.

The vast majority of people do not want a movement, they want an opposition they can vote for. I voted Tory at the last election but I have not liked the way they have governed so far. Unfortunately there is no alternative for me because I could never ever vote for Corbyn and I know many feel the same.

For those considering if Corbyn has the potential well Labour often quotes Corbyn has having the biggest mandate of any party leader. He was voted into Labour by 254,00 people which is 0.4% of the country and still only 60% of the Labour party. He was just been beaten on a major referendum and his party is in a race row... It is really no wonder the parliamentary element are squirming because they know that they do not stand a chance, he has to go.
 
inbetween said:
I said before the referendum that democratically neither party had a mandate to continue following a Brexit vote and so far the meltdown is reflective of a constitutional crisis in the major parties. Even the Lib Dems should be open to the reason why they suffered such a huge election defeat, like Labour they are no longer in touch with the vast majority of the country.

Cameron and Farage are the only ones who have done the right thing so far based upon what has happened and what needs to happen. Corbyn may have the mandate from the Labour party members but that is all. His position is untenable and for Labour to have any chance of success he has to go so that they can build a credible opposition to Tory plans. So far not a single member of Labour has offered anything that even remotely considers a post Brexit Britain and they never will because Labour is now a movement and not a political party.

The vast majority of people do not want a movement, they want an opposition they can vote for. I voted Tory at the last election but I have not liked the way they have governed so far. Unfortunately there is no alternative for me because I could never ever vote for Corbyn and I know many feel the same.

For those considering if Corbyn has the potential well Labour often quotes Corbyn has having the biggest mandate of any party leader. He was voted into Labour by 254,00 people which is 0.4% of the country and still only 60% of the Labour party. He was just been beaten on a major referendum and his party is in a race row... It is really no wonder the parliamentary element are squirming because they know that they do not stand a chance, he has to go.
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Exactly this. Without wanting to have another grinding, soul sapping debate about immigration, it is the enormous fly in the ointment
for Labour. They have just witnessed a massive fuck off to anyone who wants unlimited immigration, which Corbyn supports, add to this his feeble oratory
skills, an expression like a rabbit caught in headlights when confronted with people who may disagree with him, and a dubious background flirting with Hammas
and the IRA, and the result is electoral suicide.
 
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