Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

[cibaman]

Is there a need for a general election next year simply to allow individual MPs to obtain a mandate to scrutinise Brexit legislation?

The referendum didn't settle the terms on which we leave the EU. It didn't give the next PM a blank cheque to agree any deal no matter how bad. Any agreement with the EU would need to be approved by Parliament. There will be numerous Bills paving the way for Brexit. MPs need to be able to scrutinise that legislation. But 75% of MPs are Remainers. Any failure to pass Brexit Bills will inevitably be seen as them obstructing or delaying the process. It seems there's a huge potential for a major constitutional crisis and civil unrest.

Could that be mitigated by having a general election next year before all of the Brexit Bills reach Parliament? Let candidates set out their position to the electorate?

 

[Pino]

Actually it's the Corbynites that are the cancer in the Labour party. Due to Ed's rule change it's allowed all the far left activists to join up for £3 and take control which is steering the party's policies in the opposite direction to those which the majority of its traditional support would vote for.

I think you should put David Lammy Labour MP for Tottenham under the microscope. He calls this a stupid decision which means that 17.4M citizens are by implication stupid. He is a leading light in collecting signatures for non acceptance of the referendum – some 80 thousand fake at the last count. This is in keeping with his misuse of expenses in his attempt to become mayor of London (fined £5000 ) His expenses scam ( 2nd home ) etc. whilst helping the poor in his constituency,
Simply put ‘ roast him ‘ .

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I think you should put David Lammy Labour MP for Tottenham under the microscope. He calls this a stupid decision which means that 17.4M citizens are by implication stupid. He is a leading light in collecting signatures for non acceptance of the referendum – some 80 thousand fake at the last count. This is in keeping with his misuse of expenses in his attempt to become mayor of London (fined £5000 ) His expenses scam ( 2nd home ) etc. whilst helping the poor in his constituency,
Simply put ‘ roast him ‘ .

That bloke is another crackpot doing his party no favours. It matters not one jot how many signatures, fake or otherwise, or how much footstamping and rattle throwing
he or any of them do, there were no conditions placed on percentages of margins made before the referendum.

 

[Clevers]

That bloke is another crackpot doing his party no favours. It matters not one jot how many signatures, fake or otherwise, or how much footstamping and rattle throwing
he or any of them do, there were no conditions placed on percentages of margins made before the referendum.

And ironically the petition was started by a vote leave person ( admittedly before the vote).

 

[urban genie]

Actually it's the Corbynites that are the cancer in the Labour party. Due to Ed's rule change it's allowed all the far left activists to join up for £3 and take control which is steering the party's policies in the opposite direction to those which the majority of its traditional support would vote for.

I am no corbynite and have been a traditional labour voter and member all my eligable life, and have no time for the socialist worker and far left groups that spend too much time arguing over nowt, but progress is bar far the most damaging thing that has happened to the party, it and it's friends in the party have alienated many traditional labour supporters with their tory light. As I said Corbyn was never seen by me and many as electable, but bringing in a person more in line with what the party was formed to represent, the working class and poorer sections of society was necessary, also as I said if these spoilt lot had from the start tried working with the leadership rather than sniping maybe something could have worked out where the party could have formed policies that appealed to all sides of the party, now we are left in mess. Jeremy should probably go but the party is done for, there is no one who can come in and fix the divide I can see.
I voted for blair and new labour and was happy with the way the party was directed bar Iraq, but the right of the party became too powerful and the balance shifted to a party not akin to labour. A lurch to the left is no answer either but a return to progress (who started off as a think tank to help us appeal to the country, but have evolved into a party within a party much like the far left idiots in the 80's did) and their thinking will tear the party apart just as much as a lurch to the far left.

Basically we are buggered

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And ironically the petition was started by a vote leave person ( admittedly before the vote).

Was it? I can understand it in a way, nobody likes to lose, and everyone thought that remain would win, so there's always going to be idiots
angling to repeal the unrepealable. That clown with the expression of someone preparing for a haermorrhoid operation, leading his party of perpetual losers and PR advocaters should know better though.

 

[philiph20]

And the Labour front bench is decimated further as Angela Eagle quits.

 

[southstand117]

Can someone educate me in simple terms as to why all the labour MPs are resigning :-/

 

[philiph20]

I am no corbynite and have been a traditional labour voter and member all my eligable life, and have no time for the socialist worker and far left groups that spend too much time arguing over nowt, but progress is bar far the most damaging thing that has happened to the party, it and it's friends in the party have alienated many traditional labour supporters with their tory light. As I said Corbyn was never seen by me and many as electable, but bringing in a person more in line with what the party was formed to represent, the working class and poorer sections of society was necessary, also as I said if these spoilt lot had from the start tried working with the leadership rather than sniping maybe something could have worked out where the party could have formed policies that appealed to all sides of the party, now we are left in mess. Jeremy should probably go but the party is done for, there is no one who can come in and fix the divide I can see.
I voted for blair and new labour and was happy with the way the party was directed bar Iraq, but the right of the party became too powerful and the balance shifted to a party not akin to labour. A lurch to the left is no answer either but a return to progress (who started off as a think tank to help us appeal to the country, but have evolved into a party within a party much like the far left idiots in the 80's did) and their thinking will tear the party apart just as much as a lurch to the far left.

Basically we are buggered

The irony of Corbyn being more in line with what the party was formed to represent is that the traditional working class core have no time for him, he is propped up by the hard left, middle class Guardian readers and students.

I have no time for either party but I think it is a crying shame that we have a lousy Tory government and zero opposition, they are both pitiful and it is the country which suffers.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Can someone educate me in simple terms as to why all the labour MPs are resigning :-/

Jezza is a silly twat.
Happy to help ;-)