Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

kevin horlocks wand said:
Yes I feel totally let down by him. I went to the cup final in a box and that tosser Campbell was in it as well and for charity was going to give me his signed autobiography , I was a bit drunk and refused and gave him a piece of my mind. Blair I cannot stand anymore but he got labour in power again.

Working class people who work are aspiring and ambitious and labour never speaks up for them anymore. It should do it would be more popular and electable.
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So you've got the first party leader for labour in two decades that actually represents the working class roots of the party and you can't stand him, yet you'll stand by the post above?
 
I suspect Tom Watson is a dead man walking. Couldn't organise a coup, couldn't organise a leadership challenge, can't bring himself to support his twice elected leader - can't see his CLP supporting him which is sad as he has shown himself to be not afraid to sacrifice the careers of his colleagues in his attempt to further his own ends.
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
Not in your lifetime ?
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Correct. Jeremy Corbyn will not win a general election in my lifetime. Or after I'm dead, even if I'm run over by a bus tomorrow.

Corbyn's election as leader is proof that the party has lost any interest in serving the working class and that it prefers to be a virtue signalling hobby for a metropolitan, public school, Oxbridge educated elite and the public sector professional middle class.
 
It beggars belief, this country has now not only a totally un-electable opposition but one that is determined to remain that way for a good long time. I am no lover of the Tories but realistically they are currently the only party any sane person could vote for...if only because they got rid of Cameron and Osborne. Corbyn is a deluded fool.
 
UKIP won't win a seat
Brexit will never happen
Corbyn will not win
Leicester will not win
Trump will not be a candidate
Corbyn will be ousted
Corbyn is unelectable.

Keep them coming......
 
I dont see the others being too catastrophic, Leicester winning the league may not have been greatly positive for those hailing from Nottingham for example, whether Brexit proves positive ornegative remains to be seen, though signs are that it may not be the negative some were suggesting, Corbyn not being ousted is likely just to mean we will be stuck with the Tories for a generation, unlikely a good thing but perhaps not a catastrophe. Trump has potential but no more than Clinton but neither likely to have the kind of disasterous effect on out nation as Corbyn getting in. Dangerous man indeed.
 
We want to live in a democracy .Corbyn has been elected twice ..there should be no more back biting if you hate the Tories get behind him and support Labour
 
cyberblue said:
We want to live in a democracy .Corbyn has been elected twice ..there should be no more back biting if you hate the Tories get behind him and support Labour
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I want a democracy where the opposition can hold the governing party to account and challenge them in a general election. A strong opposition could and should be ahead of the tories with the state they are in over brexit, Nhs and grammar schools. Thanks to the self indulgent labour membership, the tories are getting off scot free and will walk the next election.
Hows that good democracy ?
 
cyberblue said:
We want to live in a democracy .Corbyn has been elected twice ..there should be no more back biting if you hate the Tories get behind him and support Labour
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Hating the Tories doesn't mean that Corbyn would be a good prime minister.

But that's a moot point anyway as Labour won't be winning a general election for a long time.
 
blueparrot said:
I want a democracy where the opposition can hold the governing party to account and challenge them in a general election. A strong opposition could and should be ahead of the tories with the state they are in over brexit, Nhs and grammar schools. Thanks to the self indulgent labour membership, the tories are getting off scot free and will walk the next election.
Hows that good democracy ?
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I can't believe that the Tories will walk the next election. Well not unless it was next week of course. Now to 2020 will not be a vacuum - at that election May or her successor will try and gain a popular mandate for the first time. At the next GE both parties will be asking the electorate to vote for a leader for the first time.

As has been said before so far Brexit is a vote, nothing else. She says Brexit means Brexit but at some stage will be asked to define that word as she see's it. Already EU finance ministers are saying the UK will lose financial passporting rights and Boris is finding the bumbling Old Etonian act doesn't wash in the EU and EU foreign ministers are offering to explain the treaty in simple English for him.

Call me Dave and Gideon are sniping from the sides and Farage and others are clamouring for "hard Brexit " now ! Problems with the NHS, Rail, public finances and immigration figures that I bet continue to grow despite the Brexit vote and the idea that with all those potential pratfalls they are a shoe in is nonsense. I suspect some people are just hoping things will remain the aforementioned vacuum and none of the above will have to be faced up to by Theresa.
 
Now that the second labour leadership election in a year is over what exactly is going to happen to about the election fraud so obviously committed by the labour party? Despite everything Corbyn increased his majority in all areas and would have increased it further if around 200,000 members had been disallowed the vote. Can all the right wing, neo-con nutjobs please leave the party now because when the people get their say you will be the ‘unelectable ones’ forever.
 
Pino said:
Now that the second labour leadership election in a year is over what exactly is going to happen to about the election fraud so obviously committed by the labour party? Despite everything Corbyn increased his majority in all areas and would have increased it further if around 200,000 members had been disallowed the vote. Can all the right wing, neo-con nutjobs please leave the party now because when the people get their say you will be the ‘unelectable ones’ forever.
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Do you mean the electoral expenses fraud?
That investigation is ongoing into about 20 TORY MP's
 
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