Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr
Rascal said:
Markt85 said:
Very basic point ... But is there any country in the world that doesn't have a majority of its nation classed as 'poor' ?
No matter who the government is the majority of people are going to be given just enough to get by with there bills, running a car and a holiday once a year. That is the world we live in.
Unless our whole philosophy in life changes and some sort of full scale revolution happens then people can just argue over who's better our of Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems bla bla bla all whilst the status quo remains.
Cuba perhaps
But they are commies so you will never hear that.
Simple fact of the matter is a boss earning 130 times what his workers are earning is just fucking shameful and downright fucking disgusting.
In and of itself? Why? If the boss is coining it in and keeping everyone else on the poverty line, then yes. But if he's paying them well and earning even more, then complaining about that is just envy.
What if the boss is paying them well and gaining the rewards from having risked absolutely everything to get the company to where it is? Without him there are no jobs. As long as the staff are paid well, why do you care what the boss earns?
Quite simply, you get good employers and bad employers. I object to people earning too much if they haven't done much to deserve it, and that applies to senior management overpaying themselves and the most junior of staff leeching a living. The principle is the same.
What I do notice on here is how few people have ever so much as thought of running a company and have no clue whatsoever about the pressures of it, or the risks of employing staff. Minimum wage is not going to bother me when taking someone on, but if set too high it might stop me from taking on a second or third one to do low level work. Paying people has to be paid for out of what the company earns. That's true and always will be.
It's never an isolated issue, it's always a combination of a number of different regulations. The great unspoken truth of small businesses up and down the country is a silent reluctance to take on female staff of childbearing age. They'll not admit it, they'll not make it obvious, but they are less likely to do so. Why? Because the more generous the maternity leave benefits, and especially in terms of returning to work, the more terrified they are that they simply can't afford it.
That doesn't mean for a moment that employment rights aren't needed, because they absolutely are. But what it does mean is that if you push too hard and too far, you don't get the jobs in the first place. It's all very well smugly slagging off employers and assuming they are all out to screw you into the ground, but these are the people offering the fucking jobs in the first place.
If I employ someone, it's to make me money. It's not a charity, and it's not for your benefit - that's a nice side effect. But it has to be worth my while or no job is created and I'll do it myself or turn down the contract.
