Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr Show

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Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

Most of the Scandinavian countries?

The UK, Qatar, Dubai - I would say most Western countries.

All depends on your definition of poor/poverty. Even the dossers begging on the streets over here are economically better off than millions of Africans and Indians living on less than a dollar a day. As a 'developed' nation though we probably should be setting our sights a little higher though.
I'm sure Boris Johnson will come up with an efficient and environmentally friendly way to burn poor people and generate electricity to run the tube soon enough.

Poverty in the UK is measured as relative rather than absolute, anyone receiving less than 60% of the national average wage is classed as being in poverty (<16k per year income). The trouble with using these metrics is I'm not sure you can actually eradicate it.

 

[law74]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

I'm confused. Are you saying the note wasn't left? Or is there something specific in the article you dispute?

Anyway I'm more confused why Balls is saying they need to keep spending levels down? is he saying the spending cuts were required now? and he says they will be responsible with the economy if elected...weren't they before?

Im not doubting there was a note, but im sure it was left as an "in" joke to be honest.

You know and i know it wasnt the case and was nowhere near the case. It was a massive mistake by Bryant though and it gave the Tories leverage to ramp austerity up and dismantle the state even further they had planned.


Balls confuses me. He is a decent bloke, but he is caught between ideas and appears not to know where to turn. His speech today was excellent but full of messages i found mixed. I think his wife would be a better Chancellor to be honest and Ed would do well at the Foreign office. My view only of course.


What i am liking is that Labour has some real talent coming through. Chuka is a star in the making and i dont see any rising Tory stars apart from them remploying Boris.

Its going to be very interesting the build up to the next GE as i think the right may implode due to UKIP, the left will have the Greens growing stronger and the middle ground Lib Dems could be decimated.

One of my least favourite politicians is Balls, he'd argue with a signpost.

As always Labours problem isn't coming up with good ideas, it's coming up with how to pay for them in a manner that is both equitable and sustainable.

So you are in favour of Osborne's idealogical war on the welfare state, the NHS and the working poor?
Even though he has created more debt than EVERY LABOUR Chancellor in history?

 

[hilts]

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Im not doubting there was a note, but im sure it was left as an "in" joke to be honest.

You know and i know it wasnt the case and was nowhere near the case. It was a massive mistake by Bryant though and it gave the Tories leverage to ramp austerity up and dismantle the state even further they had planned.


Balls confuses me. He is a decent bloke, but he is caught between ideas and appears not to know where to turn. His speech today was excellent but full of messages i found mixed. I think his wife would be a better Chancellor to be honest and Ed would do well at the Foreign office. My view only of course.


What i am liking is that Labour has some real talent coming through. Chuka is a star in the making and i dont see any rising Tory stars apart from them remploying Boris.

Its going to be very interesting the build up to the next GE as i think the right may implode due to UKIP, the left will have the Greens growing stronger and the middle ground Lib Dems could be decimated.

One of my least favourite politicians is Balls, he'd argue with a signpost.

As always Labours problem isn't coming up with good ideas, it's coming up with how to pay for them in a manner that is both equitable and sustainable.

So you are in favour of Osborne's idealogical war on the welfare state, the NHS and the working poor?
Even though he has created more debt than EVERY LABOUR Chancellor in history?

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[Rascal]

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Just about sums up the difference between right and left.

Hope you dont ever have any misfortune in your life. I would not post what you did, but others may.

 

[hilts]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

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Just about sums up the difference between right and left.

Hope you dont ever have any misfortune in your life. I would not post what you did, but others may.

If i did why would i post it on here anyhow, the thread is about Labours minimum wage promise, maybe posts should refer to that rather than the tired old and very boring cliche's about the tory party.

In my ultra right wing opinion i think eight quid by the end of the next parliament is completely pathetic and smacks surprise surprise of a PR stunt. i would raise it much quicker than this and continue to accelerate the tax threshold above the 10 grand mark as quickly as possible and stagger income tax at higher levels to pay for it

The child benefit reductions, mansion tax and pretty much everything else he mentioned are laughable really, if you want to help the low paid then at least make a meaningful effort

 

[Rascal]

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If i did why would i post it on here anyhow, the thread is about Labours minimum wage promise, maybe posts should refer to that rather than the tired old and very boring cliche's about the tory party.

In my ultra right wing opinion i think eight quid by the end of the next parliament is completely pathetic and smacks surprise surprise of a PR stunt. i would raise it much quicker than this and continue to accelerate the tax threshold above the 10 grand mark as quickly as possible and stagger income tax at higher levels to pay for it

The child benefit reductions, mansion tax and pretty much everything else he mentioned are laughable really, if you want to help the low paid then at least make a meaningful effort

Fucking hell you are almost a socialist

I need a lie down

 

[hilts]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

If i did why would i post it on here anyhow, the thread is about Labours minimum wage promise, maybe posts should refer to that rather than the tired old and very boring cliche's about the tory party.

In my ultra right wing opinion i think eight quid by the end of the next parliament is completely pathetic and smacks surprise surprise of a PR stunt. i would raise it much quicker than this and continue to accelerate the tax threshold above the 10 grand mark as quickly as possible and stagger income tax at higher levels to pay for it

The child benefit reductions, mansion tax and pretty much everything else he mentioned are laughable really, if you want to help the low paid then at least make a meaningful effort

Fucking hell you are almost a socialist

I need a lie down

keep it to yourself

 

[Blue Til Death]

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Wallace's speech yesterday said it all whilst saying nothing, the labour party are once again hell bent on bankrupting the country again...TOGETHER...! He makes Michael Foot look like a fooking political genius.. Ed Milliband, a future Prime Minister... ;-) Not in my lifetime, nor anyone else's either.

 

[cibaman]

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IDS will be pleased that he has competition for "worst conference speech in recent years".

It will be interesting to see how he spins missing out the bits on the economy and immigration. Does he argue that he deliberately left them out and try to come up with a reason why? Or does he just admit that he forgot and face the inevitable attempts to delve into his psyche to explain why those were the issues he forgot.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

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One of my least favourite politicians is Balls, he'd argue with a signpost.

As always Labours problem isn't coming up with good ideas, it's coming up with how to pay for them in a manner that is both equitable and sustainable.

So you are in favour of Osborne's idealogical war on the welfare state, the NHS and the working poor?
Even though he has created more debt than EVERY LABOUR Chancellor in history?

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Fiddling whilst Rome burns?