Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr Show

[Rascal]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

The mansion tax is one of the most inane things any party has ever come up, if you want to be known as a bitter party this certainly fits the bill, it really smacks of pure political positioning and doesn't even contemplate trying to have a fair tax policy that people could accept

Is it fair huge swathes of Central London housing are bought up and never lived in?

Is it fair people have second homes they use once a year whilst locals cant afford to live there?


But you do have this thing about envy dont you? What is unfair or bitter about asking those with the broadest shoulders to help with a larger share of the burden?

Yes it is political positioning in that its an attempt to introduce fairness just as the Tories positioned themselves as saying the Bedroom Tax was fair.

 

[Rascal]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

Sorry but your appraisal of his speech is woeful at best, how can a pre election speech you deem as good be short on policy exactly?? Are elections not won on ones policies??? Vision you say? vision of what exactly? we will save the NHS we will tax all the nasty rich, do me a favour mate, that's just the politics of envy and stupidity, weasel words said to galvanise a specific element in the party, you know the ones, the happy clappers, the pantomime villain haters....!

The man is totally Inept in every way and you know it. I could easily explain how to technically bankrupt a country but why would I, you already know that being a labour die hard, come what may, your just all too blind to see. I don't particularly care for Cameron and certainly not Clegg but if you expect me to approve of an an idiot like Milliband becoming the Prime Minister, forget it, he is quite simply the worst leader in labour party history bar none, not even Michael Foot. He's a champagne socialist just like the rest of his shadow cabinet.

Despite your labour leanings, are you seriously agreeing with ed that the Tories want to abolish the NHS or make it unfit for use?? That's a ridiculous notion, even my 5 year old could work out that as far as economics are concerned labour are complete and utter failures, if you cannot raise money in the right way and have checks an balances on public spending, you cannot run the country, as has been demonstrated countless times by labour.

My cat can have a vision but without coherent policies and a grasp of economics, you cannot run a country or spend more on the NHS which is in the shit because of poor management not lack of funding.

Ok I'm done, have a good evening.

Well done you have won Labour hating bingo.

All cliches ticked.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

Do you believe that if labour had stayed in power and they had continued with their spending plans that the deficit would be lower, we would have borrowed less and that our growth would be higher than it currently is now?

After the crash and before the last election the economy was growing. Darling was a steady hand so i believe we would have borrowed less and growth would be higher. Osbornes enforced austerity strangled growth and he didnt do it for economic reasons he did it for ideological reasons.


I still cant get my head around how a country that is the 6th richest in the world has such poverty and inequality and that so many blithly accept it and are willing to vote for more of it.

It does genuinely bewilder me.

I just have an issue with a country who whilst enjoying a strong period of growth (2000-2007) of around 2.5% still managed to increase our borrowing as a % of our GDP and also increased our overall deficit.

where was the saving for the bad times in the period of good that a steady hand should have implemented.

I agree with you about the equality in this country though, however I think we would have different view on how we could solve or at least begin to solve that.

 

[hilts]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

The mansion tax is one of the most inane things any party has ever come up, if you want to be known as a bitter party this certainly fits the bill, it really smacks of pure political positioning and doesn't even contemplate trying to have a fair tax policy that people could accept

Is it fair huge swathes of Central London housing are bought up and never lived in?

Is it fair people have second homes they use once a year whilst locals cant afford to live there?


But you do have this thing about envy dont you? What is unfair or bitter about asking those with the broadest shoulders to help with a larger share of the burden?

Yes it is political positioning in that its an attempt to introduce fairness just as the Tories positioned themselves as saying the Bedroom Tax was fair.

You have this great ability to completely miss the point of peoples posts, i have already stated why the mansion tax is stupid and not once did i say it was because the rich couldn't afford it, yet off you go again waffling with yourself like a broken record, you come across as envious because that's how your posts are worded, so please either have the decency to reply to my posts properly or give it a bleeding rest

To make it really really really simple for you the mansion tax will punish some filthy rich fuckers and not others and will probably be avoided by lots more on top, so if you want to tax the rich it might be better to find another way of doing it.

 

[Bill]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

the more i see and read the labour party are unelectable. just how i like it.

 

[Rascal]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

To make it really really really simple for you the mansion tax will punish some filthy rich fuckers and not others and will probably be avoided by lots more on top, so if you want to tax the rich it might be better to find another way of doing it.

You see Taxation as punishment i see it is a means of enabling fairness in society.


I come across as envious in my posts to you perhaps, but you would not ever meet a person with less envy of others than me. Envy is always aimed at perople of the left as a reason for the way they think. See Blue til deaths Labour bingo post. Its not envy that drove my political beliefs, i was a socialist before i even understood what wealth was. I became a socialist because i believe inequality in society is the biggest ill we face as a nation and until the trend which started under Thatcher, continued under Blair and has grown under Cameron is reversed then we are as a country ultimately doomed to fail and anarchy will reign.

 

[blueonblue]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

Is it fair people have second homes they use once a year whilst locals cant afford to live there?.

How about is it fair to stop people who have got off their arses and made the money to afford a second home if they want one ?.

Maybe its fair to say if you want to earn more than the minimum wage you could learn a skill that pays more ?, funny enough that's what most people who have second homes did.

 

[hilts]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

To make it really really really simple for you the mansion tax will punish some filthy rich fuckers and not others and will probably be avoided by lots more on top, so if you want to tax the rich it might be better to find another way of doing it.

You see Taxation as punishment i see it is a means of enabling fairness in society.

you are doing it again, never said this, never hinted at it, in fact i intimated that if you want to tax the rich more it would be better to tax all of them equally, carry on making things up though


I come across as envious in my posts to you perhaps, but you would not ever meet a person with less envy of others than me. Envy is always aimed at perople of the left as a reason for the way they think. See Blue til deaths Labour bingo post. Its not envy that drove my political beliefs, i was a socialist before i even understood what wealth was. I became a socialist because i believe inequality in society is the biggest ill we face as a nation and until the trend which started under Thatcher, continued under Blair and has grown under Cameron is reversed then we are as a country ultimately doomed to fail and anarchy will reign.

 

[malg]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

Is it fair people have second homes they use once a year whilst locals cant afford to live there?.

How about is it fair to stop people who have got off their arses and made the money to afford a second home if they want one ?.

Maybe its fair to say if you want to earn more than the minimum wage you could learn a skill that pays more ?, funny enough that's what most people who have second homes did.

Have you got your tin hat on?

 

[Ban-jani]

Re: Labour's Minimum Wage Promise/Millibland on Andrew Marr

So because you want to live in a fair society where those at the top cannot continue to satisfy their greed, you're envious - haha.

I'm glad Ed's finally growing some bollocks, good on him.