Last Film You Saw

shevtheblue said:
I think they're trying to use source material, but not be bound by it. That's why The Riddler was different and also why Catwoman's storyline was different. So i think the worlds your oyster really for Robin, he could just come in as a kid affected by what happened in the first film and blame Batman for it all or he could just be a new character. I think this Batman just gives opportunities to try some new things.
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I think you're quite right in DC manoeuvring around aspects of 'The Batman' lore. After all, it's their property and they can do as they like. I do think the 'Grayson' family/ character will be canon as the parkour/ acrobat parts of 'Robin' are essential to the duo fighting styles if introduced.

And, come to think of it, I realised I was so fixated on the detective side of 'The Batman' I ignored the amount of fighting styles he's supposed to have accrued as well as pre 'Year One' he's trained by 'Ra's al Ghul' and assasin 'David Cain'.

Perhaps Reeves has stripped all this out, but that would make this version, somewhat, hollow? Interesting to see what will happen.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Could make sense if Wayne develops a degenerative disease that makes him unable to wear the suit and work in the field, even if he wanted to.

Wayne dying whilst out of action and having passed on the mantle to Robin to become the Batman in the 2nd or 3rd Act of the last film.
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Well, this is interesting to the point that 'Grayson' rejects 'The Batman' and his code which is why he becomes 'Nightwing'. It's the wayward 'Jason Todd' that is murdered by 'Joker' (I think I said someone different the other day), which leaves 'Tim Drake' to become 'Future Batman' when 'Bruce Wayne' is much older.

I love it all when it's done right, so we'll see what happens!
 
Bigga said:
I think you're quite right in DC manoeuvring around aspects of 'The Batman' lore. After all, it's their property and they can do as they like. I do think the 'Grayson' family/ character will be canon as the parkour/ acrobat parts of 'Robin' are essential to the duo fighting styles if introduced.

And, come to think of it, I realised I was so fixated on the detective side of 'The Batman' I ignored the amount of fighting styles he's supposed to have accrued as well as pre 'Year One' he's trained by 'Ra's al Ghul' and assasin 'David Cain'.

Perhaps Reeves has stripped all this out, but that would make this version, somewhat, hollow? Interesting to see what will happen.
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I think it fits in with the new darker world of Reeves, like i say it's more akin to a detective hunting a serial killer. You also see Batman getting beaten up in some of the fights, more so in any of the other Batman films that i can remember. That would fit a narrative of him maybe being self taught or something.
 
Bigga said:
I think you're quite right in DC manoeuvring around aspects of 'The Batman' lore. After all, it's their property and they can do as they like. I do think the 'Grayson' family/ character will be canon as the parkour/ acrobat parts of 'Robin' are essential to the duo fighting styles if introduced.

And, come to think of it, I realised I was so fixated on the detective side of 'The Batman' I ignored the amount of fighting styles he's supposed to have accrued as well as pre 'Year One' he's trained by 'Ra's al Ghul' and assasin 'David Cain'.

Perhaps Reeves has stripped all this out, but that would make this version, somewhat, hollow? Interesting to see what will happen.
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I think he has. Alfred spoke about teaching him to fight.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
It was hinted at with Robin abut I meant more of just a nod and a wink and Wayne/Batman actually dying not just presumed dead. Maybe a death halfway through a movie rather than just at the end?

How do you break new ground with a comic book IP? Stylistic and use of different story telling devices is the only way surely?
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Good point

My general idea for a Batman trilogy involves exactly that: a Gotham without Bruce Wayne. As in we use the first movie to introduce the bat family, Nightwing, Oracle and Red hood.

Movie 2 his identity is revealed to the world and he goes on trial then the court house is attacked by Deathstroke.

Movie 3 Bruce is "dead" and an imposter tales his place (azrael,/Damien wayne haven't decided yet) so Nightwing has to take up the mantle. Just my idea.

You talk of breaking new ground but Batman has existed for almost 100 years! We have seen him as a young man, as a father figure and as an old man. Yet the movies seem obsessed with this 2 year origin period. Embrace the mythology, all of it. Introduce Dick, Barbara, Jason and Tim. Dont be afraid. As much as I enjoyed The Batman I felt nothing from a dramatic point of view. I wasn't moved.

Seeing Batman as a father figure who fails... that would be dramatic
 
Thorin Oakenshield said:
Good point

My general idea for a Batman trilogy involves exactly that: a Gotham without Bruce Wayne. As in we use the first movie to introduce the bat family, Nightwing, Oracle and Red hood.

Movie 2 his identity is revealed to the world and he goes on trial then the court house is attacked by Deathstroke.

Movie 3 Bruce is "dead" and an imposter tales his place (azrael,/Damien wayne haven't decided yet) so Nightwing has to take up the mantle. Just my idea.

You talk of breaking new ground but Batman has existed for almost 100 years! We have seen him as a young man, as a father figure and as an old man. Yet the movies seem obsessed with this 2 year origin period. Embrace the mythology, all of it. Introduce Dick, Barbara, Jason and Tim. Dont be afraid. As much as I enjoyed The Batman I felt nothing from a dramatic point of view. I wasn't moved.

Seeing Batman as a father figure who fails... that would be dramatic
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I see your point and that may, ultimately, be a pathway.

Unfortunately that would take a massive commitment as no one could tell a true arc of 'The Batman' in a span of 3 films, which is why Nolan's effort failed as mythology.

To take a similar pathway to yours involves massive time jumps missing context of wins and losses, whereas you're looking at 8-10 films to tell his story properly!
 
Aphex said:
Cape Fear (1990)

Hitchcockian and a pure assault on the senses. Probably in double digits on how many times I’ve seen it. 10/10
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Great acting in that film, excellent performances, and I like it for another reason too.. in the police station scene where Cady is stripping down, the cop (who was in the original 62' version) says 'One way mirror Mr Bowden...He doesn't even know you're here'


Fucking duh!? What's the point in sitting in separate rooms otherwise! But yeah, saying 1-way mirror makes more sense than a 2-way mirror in my opinion. Because some other people say 2-way mirror.
 
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