I don’t think a 2 way mirror could have coped with De Nero’s crackers in that scene.. the best part is with Juliet Lewis on the ‘3 little pigs’ stage set. It’s edge of the seat stuff, incredible atmosphere. You feel uncomfortable.
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Nightmare Alley, the recent Guillermo del Toro version, not the 1947 one. I thought it was decent.
chesterbells
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Dune. 8/10. Tasty.
Bill Walker
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Yeah, I enjoyed that. Way better than the original imo.Nightmare Alley, the recent Guillermo del Toro version, not the 1947 one. I thought it was decent.
Was you pissed while watching?Dune. 8/10. Tasty.
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I see your point and that may, ultimately, be a pathway.
Unfortunately that would take a massive commitment as no one could tell a true arc of 'The Batman' in a span of 3 films, which is why Nolan's effort failed as mythology.
To take a similar pathway to yours involves massive time jumps missing context of wins and losses, whereas you're looking at 8-10 films to tell his story properly!
Clearly it did not fail as a mythology. Those movies were superb and far better then this current movie.
You are right about needing a few movies to get to the stories I want to see, which is what makes these constant reboots a chore in my opinion.
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Nah, spice mate.Was you pissed while watching?
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Clearly it did not fail as a mythology. Those movies were superb and far better then this current movie.
You are right about needing a few movies to get to the stories I want to see, which is what makes these constant reboots a chore in my opinion.
Well, we'll agree to disagree on the standard of mythology, then.
For me "Batman Begins" is a poor film, full of holes and, clearly, just wanting to get to action sequences as the 'Bruce Wayne' character was someone barely known about.
Nolan's "The Dark Knight Rises" was an ill-thought out concept, bereft of understanding 'Bane' as a character and where he fitted into the Bat universe. Simply donning a cape and talking in a raspy voice should not deserve ranking as great mythology as then you would also insert the films and tv shows of the 40s, 50s onwards into that great mythology; a period where there was a lot of ridicule of the character. I think people see the iconic costume and crime fighting as a building of the mythology (which is true), but doesn't make it great, just recognisable.
The only film that bucks the poor structure, as a spectacle, is Heath Ledger's legendary turn as 'The Joker' in "The Dark Knight" as the titular character isn't the main focus and is, largely, ignored when it comes to motive.
I have always been interested in the 'Bruce Wayne'/'The Batman' split persona and we're, finally, getting it now.
This is SOLELY my passionate opinion on what makes "great mythology" for 'The Batman' and not dismissing your view and I know I can [over]analyse in what makes a good film, rather than enjoy it for what it is. I do tend to do that these days and this is just reflective of my views back then.
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Well, we'll agree to disagree on the standard of mythology, then.
For me "Batman Begins" is a poor film, full of holes and, clearly, just wanting to get to action sequences as the 'Bruce Wayne' character was someone barely known about.
Nolan's "The Dark Knight Rises" was an ill-thought out concept, bereft of understanding 'Bane' as a character and where he fitted into the Bat universe. Simply donning a cape and talking in a raspy voice should not deserve ranking as great mythology as then you would also insert the films and tv shows of the 40s, 50s onwards into that great mythology; a period where there was a lot of ridicule of the character. I think people see the iconic costume and crime fighting as a building of the mythology (which is true), but doesn't make it great, just recognisable.
The only film that bucks the poor structure, as a spectacle, is Heath Ledger's legendary turn as 'The Joker' in "The Dark Knight" as the titular character isn't the main focus and is, largely, ignored when it comes to motive.
I have always been interested in the 'Bruce Wayne'/'The Batman' split persona and we're, finally, getting it now.
This is SOLELY my passionate opinion on what makes "great mythology" for 'The Batman' and not dismissing your view and I know I can [over]analyse in what makes a good film, rather than enjoy it for what it is. I do tend to do that these days and this is just reflective of my views back then.
You badly need to rewatch batman begins. The first 40 minutes is all bruce wayne. The movie goes in depth on his whole thought process. Such a strange thing to say. That may be one of the worst analysis of a movie I have ever heard.
Your comments regarding Bane are curious. You didnt like that he wasnt using venom, comic accurately? If so you must have hated the riddler! The guy is basically terror incarnate.
Can you give me some book suggestions to read please. Your understanding of the character is just so off to me... help me try to understand your viewpoint
Bigga
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You badly need to rewatch batman begins. The first 40 minutes is all bruce wayne. The movie goes in depth on his whole thought process. Such a strange thing to say. That may be one of the worst analysis of a movie I have ever heard.
Your comments regarding Bane are curious. You didnt like that he wasnt using venom, comic accurately? If so you must have hated the riddler! The guy is basically terror incarnate.
Can you give me some book suggestions to read please. Your understanding of the character is just so off to me... help me try to understand your viewpoint
I rarely watch films more than once. It doesn't mean I haven't and "Batman Begins" was twice, just to make sure my senses on the first watch were correct.
The best way I can put this (and probably the difference in what we see) is that in Nolan's world 'Batman' is the mask of 'Bruce wayne'. For me, this is an angry dude trying to protect 'Gotham' from villains.
In Reeves' world, 'Bruce Wayne' is the mask of 'The Batman' which is a very important distinction. For me, this is a recluse with shattered mind, hellbent on destroying enemies, with 'Gotham' an afterthought until the last sequences of the film when he realises what he's birthed.
To your last question, this current iteration is an inspiration from obscure comic book stories, closest of which is probably 'Batman: Ego'(this deconstructs our 'hero' brilliantly) and then mash that with the 'Batman: Year' series, some of which are better than others.
I think Reeves will continue along this baseline before making 'The Batman' the legend, we know of.