Last Manchester-born player to score for us?

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jimharri said:
So's Trafford (Manchester postcode), but we don't class that lot as playing in Manchester.
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Old Trafford used to be part of the Manchester Parish and Moss Side actually used to be part of the land the De Trafford’s owned so could easily have ended up being part of Trafford. Trafford Park (the largest indisutrial estate in Europe) counts towards Manchester’s GDP, as does the Trafford Centre and all other Trafford commerce. People from Trafford consider themselves Mancunians n’all. Ian Brown (Timperley), John Squire (Timperley), Morrissey (Stretford), Ian Curtis (Old Trafford), LS Lowry (Stretford), Robert Bolt (Sale), Frank Sidebottom (Timperley), Marc Riley (Sale), Lascelles Abercrombie (Sale), James Prescott Joule (Sale), to name but a few, as well as thousands of match-going City fans (especially from Timperley and Broadheath) are all classed as top Mancs or Mancunian legends.

The only time people don’t class Trafford and Manchester the same is when talking about United but in every single other aspect it is. Manchester is bigger than its own borough boundaries.
 
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hes Not a Mancunian. He’s from bridge hall/ edgely from what I’ve heard, round The corner from where I’m from
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Old Trafford used to be part of the Manchester Parish and Moss Side actually used to be part of the land the De Trafford’s owned so could easily have ended up being part of Trafford. Trafford Park (the largest indisutrial estate in Europe) counts towards Manchester’s GDP, as does the Trafford Centre and all other Trafford commerce. People from Trafford consider themselves Mancunians n’all. Ian Brown (Timperley), John Squire (Timperley), Morrissey (Stretford), Ian Curtis (Old Trafford), LS Lowry (Stretford), Robert Bolt (Sale), Frank Sidebottom (Timperley), Marc Riley (Sale), Lascelles Abercrombie (Sale), James Prescott Joule (Sale), to name but a few, as well as thousands of match-going City fans (especially from Timperley and Broadheath) are all classed as top Mancs or Mancunian legends.

The only time people don’t class Trafford and Manchester the same is when talking about United but in every single other aspect it is. Manchester is bigger than its own borough boundaries.
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And yet Trafford has it's own borough council, doesn't it? It doesn't come under the wing of Manchester City council. So; is it a case of it being in Manchester in a geographical sense, but not in a political/administrative sense?
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Old Trafford used to be part of the Manchester Parish and Moss Side actually used to be part of the land the De Trafford’s owned so could easily have ended up being part of Trafford. Trafford Park (the largest indisutrial estate in Europe) counts towards Manchester’s GDP, as does the Trafford Centre and all other Trafford commerce. People from Trafford consider themselves Mancunians n’all. Ian Brown (Timperley), John Squire (Timperley), Morrissey (Stretford), Ian Curtis (Old Trafford), LS Lowry (Stretford), Robert Bolt (Sale), Frank Sidebottom (Timperley), Marc Riley (Sale), Lascelles Abercrombie (Sale), James Prescott Joule (Sale), to name but a few, as well as thousands of match-going City fans (especially from Timperley and Broadheath) are all classed as top Mancs or Mancunian legends.

The only time people don’t class Trafford and Manchester the same is when talking about United but in every single other aspect it is. Manchester is bigger than its own borough boundaries.
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Not really. I wouldn’t class any of the people you listed as Manc. Trafford is definitely not Manchester, it’s a completely different place hence why it is its own metropolitan borough and exemplified most recently (even if it has since changed) when the only Tory councli seat in Greater Manchester was Trafford. Likewise United aren’t a Mancunian club and I think even when they were in Newton Heath they weren’t a Mancunian club. They should change their name to Trafford after the borough in which they’re based like every other club in Greater Manchester does.
 
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jimharri said:
And yet Trafford has it's own borough council, doesn't it? It doesn't come under the wing of Manchester City council. So; is it a case of it being in Manchester in a geographical sense, but not in a political/administrative sense?
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Mostly, apart from Trafford not having its own GDP and it all counting towards Manchester’s. Salford Trafford Manchester all being part of the Indisutrial Revolution in the same way and the Bridgewater then Manchester Ship Canals running through all three areas.

When Manchester is classed as a World Beta city in the World City Index, that is not the 600000 borough of Manchester, it’s the whole Shebang.

And when EXPO was mooting is may come to Manchester it was going to use land near Ashton-under-Lyne, Tameside, but it would still be the Manchester EXPO.

In a cultural sense it is one and the same place. Family ties, mates, history, famous people from all over being classed as Mancunians, people from both areas identifying as Mancunians, one area to the other is no different.

I was born in St Mary’s hospital and have lived in Timperley, Wythenshawe, the city centre, Chorlton, Altrincham, my missus lives in Newton Heath... I don’t consider any of them not part of the same city. Same conurbation, same culture. With Salford and Tameside too we all have the same city centre, “Town” is the same place for all of us. A good chunk of Town is in Salford. You can live in Manchester City Centre (but be in Salford) and not be classed as Manchester but live by the airport in Wythenshwe nine miles from the city centre and be in Manchester.

If you drove from Timperley to Baguley, the Heatons to Burnage, Reddish to Levi, Droylsden to Clayton, Failsworth to Newton Heath, Prestwich to Crumpsall, Higher Broughton to Cheetham Hill, Old Trafford to Whalley Range, Stretford to Chorlton, Sale Moor to Northern Moor anywhere else in the world and it’d be classed as the same city. You have no idea you’ve gone from one place to another. I have no idea why it isn’t in our conurbation. It seems really odd to me.

Manchester has grown so big as a metropolis that it’s done in every sense what London and Stoke have done (all their individual towns and boroughs just got engulfed into one city), without changing the name.
 
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It's highly subjective but for me unless Manchester City Council empty your bins you don't live in Manchester.
 
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