Last Manchester-born player to score for us?

[cyan]

Should have been such a straightforward answer shouldn't it - wonder if there is any other area that would have the same debate. On the same basis Londoners should only be born in City of London - but in contrast anyone from within Greater London seems to be a Londoner. And in Manchester's case some of the argument is based on where administrators decided to draw lines and I noticed recently that the house I lived in from 1971-76 has been moved from Manchester to Trafford - does that mean that if anyone was ever born there before that change was made would no longer be a Manc?

When I moved to Bolton it was made very clear that we were not part of Manchester and they resented being included in Greater Manchester. Clearly in some of the places mentioned above the distinctions are much more blurred and different decisions by administrators could have made Manchester much bigger and the surrounding boroughs a good bit smaller.

Anyway on the original question - can we agree that the last player born in Greater Manchester to score for City was Phil Foden and before that Michael Johnson. The last player born in City of Manchester to score for City was Jon Macken.

 

[UtahBlue]

This isn't 1938, Adolf.

Godwin's law fulfilled by post number 70. Brilliant! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

 

[kev20971]

Godwin's law fulfilled by post number 70. Brilliant! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

that's mad , lol

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Mostly, apart from Trafford not having its own GDP and it all counting towards Manchester’s. Salford Trafford Manchester all being part of the Indisutrial Revolution in the same way and the Bridgewater then Manchester Ship Canals running through all three areas.

When Manchester is classed as a World Beta city in the World City Index, that is not the 600000 borough of Manchester, it’s the whole Shebang.

And when EXPO was mooting is may come to Manchester it was going to use land near Ashton-under-Lyne, Tameside, but it would still be the Manchester EXPO.

In a cultural sense it is one and the same place. Family ties, mates, history, famous people from all over being classed as Mancunians, people from both areas identifying as Mancunians, one area to the other is no different.

I was born in St Mary’s hospital and have lived in Timperley, Wythenshawe, the city centre, Chorlton, Altrincham, my missus lives in Newton Heath... I don’t consider any of them not part of the same city. Same conurbation, same culture. With Salford and Tameside too we all have the same city centre, “Town” is the same place for all of us. A good chunk of Town is in Salford. You can live in Manchester City Centre (but be in Salford) and not be classed as Manchester but live by the airport in Wythenshwe nine miles from the city centre and be in Manchester.

If you drove from Timperley to Baguley, the Heatons to Burnage, Reddish to Levi, Droylsden to Clayton, Failsworth to Newton Heath, Prestwich to Crumpsall, Higher Broughton to Cheetham Hill, Old Trafford to Whalley Range, Stretford to Chorlton, Sale Moor to Northern Moor anywhere else in the world and it’d be classed as the same city. You have no idea you’ve gone from one place to another. I have no idea why it isn’t in our conurbation. It seems really odd to me.

Manchester has grown so big as a metropolis that it’s done in every sense what London and Stoke have done (all their individual towns and boroughs just got engulfed into one city), without changing the name.

your talking about places right next to manchester so the difference is small. but if your talking about towns then there is a big difference. for example the accent changes when you go into stockport more. add in each town has its own history/culture. bolton, wigan are very different from say salford. I'm from stockport and class myself as a stopfordian. I'm not a manc

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

So what is Manchester? A roundabout The Piccadilly Rats play on next to Market Street tram stop? Smallest big city ever.

I had colleagues from Wigan or Bolton say they’re from their respective towns. People from Droylsden said Manchester.

anywhere within the boundaries of manchester ?? theres a map as well showing the areas. - clayton, moss side, hulme, ardwick...... and signs when you go into manchester. the closest one to me is when you drive onto kingsway.

 

[kev20971]

your talking about places right next to manchester so the difference is small. but if your talking about towns then there is a big difference. for example the accent changes when you go into stockport more. add in each town has its own history/culture. bolton, wigan are very different from say salford. I'm from stockport and class myself as a stopfordian. I'm not a manc

A question for you Cheadle Hulme Blue, do true Stockfordians come from the town of Stockport or the Metropolitan borough of Stockport ?

 

[trotsky]

Then I stand corrected from a previous post on another thread.

That would be the old St Mary’s, where all the true Mancunians were born.

Ain't that the truth ;-)

 

[hjm1962]

Im from Harrow,but live in the USA....does that make me a cu**? answers on a postcard to....

 

[levets]

Ich bins ein Mancunian

Me too

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Old Trafford used to be part of the Manchester Parish and Moss Side actually used to be part of the land the De Trafford’s owned so could easily have ended up being part of Trafford. Trafford Park (the largest indisutrial estate in Europe) counts towards Manchester’s GDP, as does the Trafford Centre and all other Trafford commerce. People from Trafford consider themselves Mancunians n’all. Ian Brown (Timperley), John Squire (Timperley), Morrissey (Stretford), Ian Curtis (Old Trafford), LS Lowry (Stretford), Robert Bolt (Sale), Frank Sidebottom (Timperley), Marc Riley (Sale), Lascelles Abercrombie (Sale), James Prescott Joule (Sale), to name but a few, as well as thousands of match-going City fans (especially from Timperley and Broadheath) are all classed as top Mancs or Mancunian legends.

The only time people don’t class Trafford and Manchester the same is when talking about United but in every single other aspect it is. Manchester is bigger than its own borough boundaries.

Ian Brown was born in Warrington.
Frank Sidebottom (Chris Sievey) was born in Sale not Timperley
Morrissey was born in Davyhulme (Trafford General) hospital and the next day went to the family home on the Hulme / Moss Side border. He was 9 when his family moved to Stretford so he is actually a Manc.