Laurence Fox launches political party

[Blue Hefner]

A point I've heard fairly frequently is that "it's necessary because people need to see they are represented, have role models and people who look and talk like them in positions of power".

They then, for some reason, are up in arms when people come up with the comments you've posted.

Thank you for the reply. Unfortunaltey, I am missing something. It wil be me as I have had a few San Miguels - I agree that we need diversity on TV, the boardroom and all the rest of it. I enjoy seeing women in the pit-lane of formula one so the little one can see women doing big things - but who is 'up in arms', that's the bit I don't get?

If you are talking about posiitve descrimination, there may well be a bit of that as there is a complelling case for it. But to say Micah Richards, Patrick Evra and Alex Scott have these jobs on the basis if their skin colour is an insult to them and the intelligence of whoever is complaining about it

Unless of course people are suggesting there should be more black people on TV and the like of Micah and Alex Scott are hogging all the work? But I would say why would you want to be on TV if people discredit your entire career and think you go the job as a 'box tick'(I fucking hate that term)

 

[Blue Hefner]

I think if you did a Venn diagram of those who resent Alex Scott being on TV, say “all lives matter”, and think Laurence Fox has a point then it’d be a useful guide for people you’d never want to have a pint with.

Unfortunaley my uncle is one of them. He was very upset that a black mother and daugher has created a magazine aimed at back boys and black girls and *even* named it 'Cocoa' - "what if a white man had called a magazine that..."

Painful. Fucking painful

 

[Ric]

Unfortunaley my uncle is one of them. He was very upset that a black mother and daugher has created a magazine aimed at back boys and black girls and *even* named it 'Cocoa' - "what if a white man had called a magazine that..."

Painful. Fucking painful

Didn’t realise you were Fame Monster’s nephew;)

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Thank you for the reply. Unfortunaltey, I am missing something. It wil be me as I have had a few San Miguels - I agree that we need diversity on TV, the boardroom and all the rest of it. I enjoy seeing women in the pit-lane of formula one so the little one can see women doing big things - but who is 'up in arms', that's the bit I don't get?

If you are talking about posiitve descrimination, there may well be a bit of that as there is a complelling case for it. But to say Micah Richards, Patrick Evra and Alex Scott have these jobs on the basis if their skin colour is an insult to them and the intelligence of whoever is complaining about it

Unless of course people are suggesting there should be more black people on TV and the like of Micah and Alex Scott are hogging all the work? But I would say why would you want to be on TV if people discredit your entire career and think you go the job as a 'box tick'(I fucking hate that term)

Well, there's plenty of backlash whenever anyone is not fully supportive of all instances of positive discrimination. The vast proportion of the majority background of our population is evidently supportive, but people clearly have different lines on positive discrimination and (proportional) representation.

I think there's a different argument on a very small pool of privileged individuals receiving the vast majority of the positive discrimination opportunities. I guess that sits somewhere between making the first steps down a "progressive" road and genuinely embracing positive change by opening opportunities to those communities in the first instance. Not to mention there are at least some cases where genuinely talented people have been pushed out of their role largely due to their biological sex and skin colour, but I suppose collateral damage is a necessary evil for the greater good.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Then the internet in 2020 simply isn't for you, I'm afraid.......

In all seriousness, have you read much around Malcolm X? I am reading his autobiography(very heavy) but when I started it I thought his suggestion that 'intergration' being a waste of time for black people in America was absurd and unhelpful. However(I'm not saying he's right, i'm saying he may have a point) when you look at BLM, Soccer Saturday, Micah Richards and Alex Scott among other I think there is something in it

Why would you want to be a a succesful black person in a country or an activist when 'it's only because they are black' get's brought up all the time?

The posiiton 5-10 years ago was the Muslims, Poles etc. need to intergrate. Ok, but not too much we don't want them on the telly or opening thier own shops or 'replacing' us. I find it interesting(yet entriley see-through) that these fake argumements and obvious contradictions haven't run out of steam(I don know why, its becuase they havne't ran out of money) and the working class white man hasn't noticed they are being taken for fools - I appreciate that I may be wrong and my opinon may post may come across condecneding but why don't we all have just slow down and have a think

Look at the long list of people they have pinned the blame on why this country is apparnetly so bad. It is always the most vulnerable the billionaires want us to take our anger out on. Why is that I wonder???

I’ve been reading a lot of Malcolm X’s work to better educate myself around the whole BLM stuff. One of the most interesting (and bang on) views he had were about “white liberals” and how black people should be very wary of them (we all should really imo!)

 

[Blue Hefner]

Well, there's plenty of backlash whenever anyone is not fully supportive of all instances of positive discrimination. The vast proportion of the majority background of our population is evidently supportive, but people clearly have different lines on positive discrimination and (proportional) representation.

I think there's a different argument on a very small pool of privileged individuals receiving the vast majority of the positive discrimination opportunities. I guess that sits somewhere between making the first steps down a "progressive" road and genuinely embracing positive change by opening opportunities to those communities in the first instance. Not to mention there are at least some cases where genuinely talented people have been pushed out of their role largely due to their biological sex and skin colour, but I suppose collateral damage is a necessary evil for the greater good.

Probably, yes. But Iwouldn't call multi-millionaires on Sky and the BBC 'collateral damage', I'm sure they will be alright.

But again, it's more of a class issue that the white man needs to wake up to. The women I spoke about in F1, one is the daughter of a team owner and the other is the wife of a high up man at Mercendes. Don't get me wrong, they are extremly well educated and know thier stuff but those sort of opportuites tend not to lend themsleves to working class kids from a normal school in Prestwich. Why not? Promotion of education in my opinion

A person as lazy as Boris Johnson can be at his private school and say he wants to be Prime Minister and he is actively encouraged. If the brightest person in my school said that they would have been laughed out of class. They want the top jobs for themsleves and keep us plebs arguing of who the host of Question Of Sport is - bread and circuses..

 

[Blue Hefner]

I’ve been reading a lot of Malcolm X’s work to better educate myself around the whole BLM stuff. One of the most interesting (and bang on) views he had were about “white liberals” and how black people should be very wary of them (we all should really imo!)

Cheers. I'll watch that tomorrow

Agree or disagree with him. His autobiography is brilliant, the charisma jumps of the page.

When asked if he was the only person in America who could start a race riot but also the only person who could stop one his reply was - "I don't think I could start one. And I'' not sure I'd want to stop one..."

That makes the hair on my neck stand up

 

[Fame Monster]

Didn’t realise you were Fame Monster’s nephew;)

Bit of a coincidence but was enjoying a bit of Hot Chocolate on BBC 4 tonight seen as though we can't go out anymore.


As for Malcolm X, not surprised this guy is getting quoted on BM, seems to be the political inspiration for some who post on here along with all the other Nation of Islam cranks. I thought their ideas were defeated by MLK 50 years ago but looks like they're mainstream again, aided and abetted by the 'as long as they claim to be helping a minority' folk. No doubt they'll be defeated again but sad to see the level of historical amnesia that revives some of these backward ideas.

 

[Rascal]

Not really any different to the left wing groups who recruit young, impressionable, vulnerable minds and seek to collectivise them and remove their individuality, freedom and expression.

I am genuinely interested in how you come to this conclusion and which left wing groups you believe do this.

 

[Rascal]

Then the internet in 2020 simply isn't for you, I'm afraid.......

In all seriousness, have you read much around Malcolm X? I am reading his autobiography(very heavy) but when I started it I thought his suggestion that 'intergration' being a waste of time for black people in America was absurd and unhelpful. However(I'm not saying he's right, i'm saying he may have a point) when you look at BLM, Soccer Saturday, Micah Richards and Alex Scott among other I think there is something in it

Why would you want to be a a succesful black person in a country or an activist when 'it's only because they are black' get's brought up all the time?

The posiiton 5-10 years ago was the Muslims, Poles etc. need to intergrate. Ok, but not too much we don't want them on the telly or opening thier own shops or 'replacing' us. I find it interesting(yet entriley see-through) that these fake argumements and obvious contradictions haven't run out of steam(I do know why, its becuase they havne't ran out of money) and the working class white man hasn't noticed they are being taken for fools - I appreciate that I may be wrong and my opinon may post may come across condecneding but why don't we all have just slow down and have a think

Look at the long list of people they have pinned the blame on why this country is apparnetly so bad. It is always the most vulnerable the billionaires want us to take our anger out on. Why is that I wonder???

No I haven't read anything about Malcolm X at all, my interest in America is pretty much all from the historical Civil War perspective.

I am more interested in the class based analysis such as why do Billionaires want to divide the working class. I suppose a comparison could be made as to why does Micah get jobs on Soccer Saturday when he is a working class kid from a Leeds council estate, when the majority of people in the media are not working class.