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RobbieBrewer said:
Richard Dunne does not want to leave City.

As others have said-we are going to need a big squad if we are going to attempt to challenge on any level this season.
Dunee still has something to offer IMO.

And do you know what-on pure sentiment-I hope he stays,sees the season out,and is granted the testimonial and recognition as a brilliant servant of MCFC that he so richly deserves.


'KIN SPOT ON MATE; TOO MANY SHIT-SPEAKERS HAVE FORGOTTEN WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND HOW WE GOT HERE, DUNNEY IS A TOP MAN AND A TOP BLUE - 4 YEARS PLAYER OF THE YEAR, ONE INDIFFERENT SEASON AND THE ABUSE HE HAS BEEN GIVEN BY SOME IS UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL
 
Dunne gave his all on Saturday and ok he might not be the most talented footballer around but you cant get enough of these guys and if he wants to stop and fight for his place rather than sulk off then good on him!

You dont be City's player of the season for 4 years runnin for nothing!
 
They just rip off what we say on here !

Everton boss David Moyes is heading for a fall with his tough guy approach over Lescott

By David McDonnell

Last modified 11:12 17/08/09


Everton boss David Moyes issues instructions to defender Joleon Lescott

David Moyes has unwittingly staked his managerial reputation on his hard-line stance over Manchester City's pursuit of Joleon Lescott.

By publicly insisting he alone has the final say on such decisions at Everton, Moyes has effectively challenged the club's hierarchy to back him over Lescott.

So far they have, but if - as seems likely - City come back with an improved final offer for Lescott, one Everton's money men are unable to resist, where does that leave Moyes?

His bullish public stance is commendable but, if Lescott is ultimately sold, Moyes will be perceived as a manager with no control over the transfer policy at Goodison Park.

Becoming embroiled in a bitter war of words with City boss Mark Hughes, over his failure to pick up the phone and call him about Lescott, was a foolish move by Moyes.

Moyes may be part of the managerial clique, which includes Sir Alex Ferguson and Sam Allardyce, who phone each other regularly, but Hughes is not part of such a cartel.

Nor, it should be said, does the increasingly impressive Hughes appear to have any desire to join such a coterie, which speaks volumes about his standing and integrity.

When Moyes griped that Hughes had not had the decency to phone him, the City boss pointed out he would have only been told Lescott was not for sale, so what was the point?

Far more logical, Hughes claimed, to leave the matter to City chief executive Garry Cook and football adminstrator Brian Marwood to speak with their counterparts at Everton.

And, unless you're an Everton fan or a friend or relative of Moyes, common sense says you'd have to agree with Hughes on that one.

Old-school dialogue between managers, when it comes to transfers, is no longer prevalent, with chief executives and directors of football now conducting the business.

Do you think Real Madrid boss Manuel Pellegrini called Sir Alex Ferguson to ask his permission to buy Cristiano Ronaldo this summer? No.

Did Rafa Benitez pick up the phone and have a word with Portsmouth boss Paul Hart to smooth over Glen Johnson's switch to Liverpool? No.

It just doesn't happen that way. And, moreover, why should it?

Moyes would have been better served by saying nothing on the Lescott saga, instead of being drawn into a petty squabble over the perceived protocol of how deals should be done.

The Everton boss is a straight-talking guy who deserves the utmost respect and praise for what he has achieved at the club with meagre resources.

But the Lescott saga has not been his finest hour. When a player clearly wants out, as Lescott does, is there really any point in keeping him against his will?

Aston Villa did that with Gareth Barry last season, blocking his proposed £18m move to Liverpool, only to sell him a year later to City for a third of that price.

The principled stance Moyes has taken over Lescott is admirable but ultimately futile.

And his problem is that, having taken such a hard-line position, it would be seen as a sign of weakness were Moyes to now perform a U-turn.

So instead, why not admit there is no point in holding on to a disaffected player?

Why not take City's £22m, buy a player like Matthew Upson or Brede Hangeland - both of whom are available and Lescott's equal - for half that price and bag a tidy profit?

They say pride comes before a fall, and all the signs are that Moyes is heading for an almighty tumble over his mishandling of the Lescott saga.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
BringBackSwales said:
yeah and of course we really need the money, there will be no injuries, the African Cup of Nations will be cancelled and the tooth fairy be proved to be real

Answer me this should a teams 5th and 6th choice for a position be players coming towards the end of their careers? Players who have been proven time and time again not to be good enough and who will not get any better or should our 5th and 6th choice players be young talent that we hope to bring through, players who are at a young age and can improve?

Now you may wish to see Dunne come into the team if Toure goes away to the African Nations and Lescott/new centre back, Ned and or Kompany are injured all at the same time but on the off chance (id say we are talking less than 1%) I would prefer to see a youngster be given a shot eg Ben Mee otherwise we might as well dispense of the academy now!

answer me this, would you have rather had Richard Dunne or Ben Mee playing at Blackburn on Saturday? I am sure Mee and many others will make it but he is not ready for pemier league games at places like Blackburn YET, and if you think he is you are really very naive. Oh and by the way your knowledge of statistics is about as good as your knowledge of football
 
We don't need Lescott or any other defender on that note.

If I had to choose between Lescott, Upson, Hangeland or Kompany it would be Kompany everyday of the week. If not Kompany then we still have a choice of Onouha, Richards, Dunne, Toure and even Barry that can play CB.
 
If we didn't up our bid for Lescott now it would leave Moyes in a very awkward position. He would have a very unhappy player on his hands with itchy feet and who may not be performing to his full potential because his heart isn't in the club anymore. Also, they will have no money to stenghten the team which clearly needs doing on the evidence of their performance on Saturday.

Also, the fans will start to get on the back of the chairman a lot more because he promised new signings at the end of the last season and without funds from the Lescott deal he may find it very difficult to finance a deal for a top quality player.
 
His value has gone down not up due to the way Moyes has handled the deal and their very poor start to the season.

I would offer £18 million which is out last offer on the understanding that its done quickly and Moyes keeps his mouth shut. No more players as part of the deal straight cash.

If they dont except move on, sign Upson for £10 million or Distian for £4 million. Left footed do for a few seasons better than what we have with he exception of Toure (And possibly Kompany when hes fit and Nedum if he keeps improving)

Like I have said at this stage I would much rather leave Lescott where he is until January or after the world cup as its clearly unsettled the Everton team and manager. I think we could get him for substanitailly less if we wait and also wreck their chances of finishing in the top 6 this season.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
avoidconfusion said:
Hold on.... 18m + Dunne + Ben Haim?

I am sorry but Dunne is worth at least 5m and Ben Haim at least 3m.

Lescott is NOT worth 26m, screw this.

I would be very surprised if Everton are interested in either player to be fair and TBH is not worth 3p never mind £3 million!

If we could get Lescott and get rid of Dunne and TBH I for one would be delighted!

Not sure, part of me would be happy that we have got rid of two defenders for a top class Premier Leauge proven defender which means we have a fair sized squad and think it could be a really good deal as Dunne will be playing week in week out which he won't be at City if we get Lescott without using Dunne.

However, part of me wouldn't be happy as Richard Dunne is a great servent to the club and would be sad to let him go and Lescott isn't worth all this meither but Hughes thinks it's worth it and he knows more than we do.

The article is porbably bullshit anyway.
 
BringBackSwales said:
OrigamiNinja said:
Answer me this should a teams 5th and 6th choice for a position be players coming towards the end of their careers? Players who have been proven time and time again not to be good enough and who will not get any better or should our 5th and 6th choice players be young talent that we hope to bring through, players who are at a young age and can improve?

Now you may wish to see Dunne come into the team if Toure goes away to the African Nations and Lescott/new centre back, Ned and or Kompany are injured all at the same time but on the off chance (id say we are talking less than 1%) I would prefer to see a youngster be given a shot eg Ben Mee otherwise we might as well dispense of the academy now!

answer me this, would you have rather had Richard Dunne or Ben Mee playing at Blackburn on Saturday? I am sure Mee and many others will make it but he is not ready for pemier league games at places like Blackburn YET, and if you think he is you are really very naive. Oh and by the way your knowledge of statistics is about as good as your knowledge of football

Well put it this way if you had asked me that question at 2.59pm on Saturday I would have picked Ben Mee over Dunne because I would have been basing my opinion on Dunnes form over the past 18 months which quite frankly would have led me to picking anyone other than him! Obviously Dunne had a decent game against mediocre opposition, but to be honest if you are a centre back who cant deal with Blackburns tactics then you should find another career.

I do agree with you that Mee is not ready, in fact probably far from it but how many games will a 5th choice centre back play? 5 league games and a few cup games? If Dunne is happy doing this then thats up to him but I dont think it does him or the club any favours when youngsters cant get a game because a guy at the end of his career hangs about a club!

As for my grasp of statistics you are correct I am no mathematician but I dont remember many times last season where we called upon a 5th choice centre back!

To finish off the childish insults are not required and if you must resort to such behaviour please at least work on your act as your grasp of humour is on a par with my grasp of statistics!
 
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