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mcfc1632 said:
ToffeeAndy said:
Hmm i'm not sure 5 times more is likely... probs double his current salary. Also an extra £40k a week to a football is probs the equivalent of a couple of grand to me. thats the point I was making and I think you probs took me a bit to literally.

I'm not saying every player at City gets treated like Jo, but if Lescott did ask him about City you can gaurantee he wouldn't be complimentary. I hadn't thought about the other players people mentioned tho so they have a valid point... I still think my point is valid though as well.

The family atmosphere I was referring to was "in camp" rather then the atmosphere at games. Everyone at our club gets on great and we have a fantastic team spirit. No-one can deny that and if they do then they are majorly wrong.

Fletcher wouldn't get in Watfords team?!!!! Yet he played in the Champions League Semi Final for Man United?!!! Oh my god!!! Funniest thing i've ever ever read without a doubt!

I think i'll take SAF's opinion of a player over yours if that ok lol!


You seem like a reasonable bloke and quite knowledgeable and fair-minded about football.

Just a couple of thoughts – and I know I am of course biased because by hatred about all things scum is only just behind my love of CITY.

But whilst I recognise the issue of ‘will the players gel’ – Hughes has sensibly got most of his dealings done early and we have the opportunity for a good pre-season for most of them to be worked into a unit – so whilst this alone will not resolve the issue – it will at least help. He has also gone for a certain ‘type’ of player – work-rate – prem experience – etc and this will also help – I particularly think the Tevez and Barry will be immense and if Lescott joins (perhaps Terry) these are not player that will need months to settle in.

Now look at scum (sorry cannot call them anything else) – I really really know the results – and they speak for themselves – but I do think that at this time they look fragile in a number of areas and they have (INO) ‘got away with it’ in a lot of games last season – often down to the efforts of Tranny and Tevez.

If you just put up their 1st 11 – and their 2nd 11 and compare them to that likely to be CITY’s at the end of August – it makes interesting analysis:
They are weak at RB – they are weak at DM – they are weak in creative MF – they have 2 quality strikers – but they are weak in back up – they have 2 quality CBs – but they are weak in back up

They have lost a lot of the ‘invincibility aura’ and I think a lot of teams will have a go where in the past they have overly-defended which has been to the benefit of the scum – I just think that they are not strong this year and:

a) Players that are real ‘quality’ are few – E.g. Rooney, Vidic
b) Players that are average but have got away with being in a overall good team will be found out – e.g. O’Shea and Fletcher
c) Players that are getting ‘beyond it’ will be exposed – e.g. Scholes, Giggs
d) Players that are unproven and perhaps not good enough will be asked to do too much, e.g. Rafael, Valencia, Nani, Evans
I just think that this year they could slip – and once the ‘invincibility aura’ is blown away the slide could last a few years – ‘cos they no longer have the financial position to just go and get the best players

Yeah – I know I am biased – but....

And just a small favour to ask of you – do not expect you to share my hatred for the scum – but please you do not have to call Mr Ferguson – gergiescum, baconface, whisky chops or anything else derogatory – Manu manager will do – but please –just for my sensitivities – please do not use SAF – unless you mean ‘Some Arrogant Fucker’

Haha sorry i'll refer to him as old saggy face from now on!

You've mad some really good points. They defo seem to be a team in a transitional state at the moment and will definately not be the team they were in this or in previous seasons.

I'm not sure how it'll go to be honest. In a good team unit you can take out one or two important peices and the unit will still perform admirably. Can Manure (thought you'd appreciate that one) cope in this way? Probably not but old saggy face is a master of switching his formations and tactics to suit the players he has at his disposal. I think next year will be closer then ever at the top though and so for that reason I hope they do suffer and it gives someone else (as long as its not liverpool) the title for a change.

Your right about the player Hughes has brought in. I have some question marks over players like RSC who missed a lot of the season through injury and only has one decent year in the premier league, but City do have a very good 1st team now. I think Hughes has done everything he can to build a team that will gel, but it'll still take time and he's still not secured the most important signing yet which is at least one top quality CB. If he gets 2 CB's and adds that to the rest it really is a lot of new players to gel in to the team regardless of their premier league experience.

I think hughes is a realist tho, i'd imagine he's aiming for top 5 or 6 this season, top 4 the season after. Its do-able thats for sure and it'll be interesting watching what happens
 
twinkletoes said:
ToffeeAndy said:
Not even sure who to reply to seeing as you all jumped on the same completely misconstrued point.

Anyone one here want to point me to the post where I said Lescott would ask Jo, only Jo and no-one else?

Also your all saying he wouldn't listen to Jo but would listen to the other players listed? Surely if he was going to listen to the others he;d listen to Jo as well?

And he's known Jo for 5 minutes? He played in the same team as him week in week out for 6 months, yet you think he knows these other players better? Why?

If your all gonna get on your high horses then at least use something i've said correctly.

Chances are he'd listen to them all so how am I wrong?


Give it 'em Mr Toffee
So are you saying Lescott is a bit thick? That he will hold great store by what a player who only managed 1 goal in 20 and got loaned out will have to say?
 
mancboy123 said:
U can try and convince yourself you got the best deal with Jo all you like but the simple fact is this, if we thought the deal was detrimental to our club or league position it wouldnt happen you know it and I know it

We could happily let Jo go abroad or anywhere else, if you were the only club in for him, ur not exactly getting a great player are you, so dont kid yourself that the Jo deal was anything less than on our terms and how we wanted it.

I fail to see how we didnt get the best deal with Jo?

He might not have contributed to your season at all if he'd stayed, but he will contribute to ours at no cost.

To your season his loss wont be detrimental as such, but if we finish say 3 points ahead of you at the end of the season and Jo scored even one goal that won us a match then that would have been detrimental to you. It may or may not happen, in fact i'm inclined to think you'll laugh at my suggestion of us finishing above you... its not an impossible scenario though.

Jo left on your terms, how you wanted i'm not so sure? I'd have thought you'd have wanted to sell him for upwards of £15m if you could have.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
twinkletoes said:
Give it 'em Mr Toffee
So are you saying Lescott is a bit thick? That he will hold great store by what a player who only managed 1 goal in 20 and got loaned out will have to say?

I think Lescott would be thick to not ask a player he's playing with and has been for 6 months what its like at City.

I also think he;d be thick to take Jo's goal scoring record in to consideration and then deciding not to ask him.
 
And therefore you miss my point entirely. Do you not think we as a club know this therefore do you actually believe that we would lend you someone who benefits your side if there wasnt an upside in it for us (lescott).

If thats the case why dont we give west ham caicedo they want him and i tell you what we will loan villa elano im sure hed fit in nicely there. Come on your deluding yourself if you think the Jo deal isnt a part of the lescott one.
 
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Your right about the player Hughes has brought in. I have some question marks over players like RSC who missed a lot of the season through injury and only has one decent year in the premier league, but City do have a very good 1st team now. I think Hughes has done everything he can to build a team that will gel, but it'll still take time and he's still not secured the most important signing yet which is at least one top quality CB. If he gets 2 CB's and adds that to the rest it really is a lot
of new players to gel in to the team regardless of their premier league experience.

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I think that there is a need to see the end of August position - the money / backing we have been so very very lucky to get is actually creating a different position to that which has existed before – even with Chelsea under RA

A lot is made of this focus on strikers – but the media want to portray it negatively – they do not want any disruption to the Sky 4 – but our dealings have been quite strategic and the only ones that have become in the public domain are those in general leaked by the other party, e.g. Terry by Chelsea and Lescott by Everton.

Take an objective look – does this approach really make you think that we will not have plans for the defence?? It is clear that we are going for Terry and Lescott – well that would probably be the best CB partnership in the Prem – just like Etoo / Adebayor – we will have contingency plans – probably in the RB areas as well – Hughes has been given this hot (09/10 season) – and he has been given unstinting backing – he will use it all over the pitch – if not Terry and / or Lescott – it will be others

Also msuch is made of things like RSC – injury record etc – but we are (again so very very lucky) to be a club that can go for a ‘genuine’2 of quality in every position – I think that RSC is back up for Ade – not bad at all when you think like that

Just forget the name CITY – but if you saw one of the Sky 4 team step out in August with

------------------------ Given --------------------------------

Zabalatta ---- Terry ----------------Lescott--------------Brdige

-------------------------de jong -----------------------------

--------------Ireland------------------Barry--------------------

-----------Tevez--------------------------Robbie--------------

-------------------------Adebayor------------------------------


With SWP and Petrov to add width – RSC to back up Adebayor, Bellemey and SWP to back up Tevez, Bojiinov to back up Robbie – then Kompany, Elano, Johnson, Dunne, Onuaha, Richards and a host of top academy players – people would be thinking that is a team to challenge – I just hope that everyone just keeps taken us lightly
 
being rumoured on 'we've got Robinho' site that the deal is done @ £20M - we'll see over the next few days I suppose

<a class="postlink" href="http://wevegotrobinho.blogspot.com/2009/07/rumour-time-lescott.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wevegotrobinho.blogspot.com/2009 ... scott.html</a>
 
SI's Bald Head said:
being rumoured on 'we've got Robinho' site that the deal is done @ £20M - we'll see over the next few days I suppose

<a class="postlink" href="http://wevegotrobinho.blogspot.com/2009/07/rumour-time-lescott.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wevegotrobinho.blogspot.com/2009 ... scott.html</a>
well i for one hope its true,
its been 3 days now without any new players now and i need a fix
 
mancboy123 said:
And therefore you miss my point entirely. Do you not think we as a club know this therefore do you actually believe that we would lend you someone who benefits your side if there wasnt an upside in it for us (lescott).

If thats the case why dont we give west ham caicedo they want him and i tell you what we will loan villa elano im sure hed fit in nicely there. Come on your deluding yourself if you think the Jo deal isnt a part of the lescott one.


Sorry I did miss your point entirely. Your referring to Jo being used as a sweetner for the Lescott deal. It would make sense your right, even if its just to build good relations between the clubs. Its certainly a strange transfer for City to do if they didnt think they;d get something in return
 
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