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If Lescott wishes to leave then Lescott will leave and Moyes / Kenwright will be powerless to stop him. He may have a contract with Everton but at the end of the day they have a stance of not holding a player back if he is unhappy at the club (very respectful) and if we offer a considerable sum of monies (£18,000,000 to £20,000,000) and Everton do not accept then he'll just whack in a transfer request anyway.

The power is with players nowadays, not the clubs. We've seen it all too often.
 
C_T_I_D said:
If Lescott wishes to leave then Lescott will leave and Moyes / Kenwright will be powerless to stop him. He may have a contract with Everton but at the end of the day they have a stance of not holding a player back if he is unhappy at the club (very respectful) and if we offer a considerable sum of monies (£18,000,000 to £20,000,000) and Everton do not accept then he'll just whack in a transfer request anyway.

The power is with players nowadays, not the clubs. We've seen it all too often.

At the end of the day they can't actually MAKE someone kick a football, can they.

Remember when Sony wouldn't release George Michael from his contract? He just said, OK so I won't record any more albums then. In the end they caved in.
 


Yeah but he's also the most sucessful manager in English football so I think its hard for anyone to argue that he doesn't know what he's doing. yeah he's bought a few duffers over the years but no manager will ever get it right 100% of the time. Anyway maybe we'll just agree to disagree on this point.

Actually i've not said you can't break the top 4 in the next few years. However i firmly believe you wont win the league or champions league in the next few years.

I haven't made any sly digs about your ability to finish in the top 4 in the next few years either, however I've pointed out your on a journey thats only just begun and it may work out the way you hope, or it may not... no one will know until it happens. Personally i hope it does, a league with 6 or more teams competing for the top 4 or league title would be great for football in this country!

I do however stand by the fact that players could potentially come to City purely for the money, thats not going to help you progress as you need hungry players who have a desire to make City a real force, not just some mercanery twat there for the wages. Thats why Hughes buying the right player is really important... players like Tevez are a wonderful example of players who give their all and are massively talented too.

Unless we get a new owner you will win the league before us I dont doubt. i just think it'll take longer then some posters seem to think.

yeah we can't afford Jo so we take him on a season long loan which saves our club money to strenghten in other areas. Providing Jakubu comes back the player he was Jo wont even be 1st choice, so would it be value for money spending even say £10m on Jo? Probably not. Perosnally i think we've got a hell of a good deal with Jo. We've convinced one of our rivals to lend us one of their players for 18 months which improves us and will help us pick up more points as a result. I dont see how thats a bad deal at all tbh
 
Chippy_boy said:
C_T_I_D said:
If Lescott wishes to leave then Lescott will leave and Moyes / Kenwright will be powerless to stop him. He may have a contract with Everton but at the end of the day they have a stance of not holding a player back if he is unhappy at the club (very respectful) and if we offer a considerable sum of monies (£18,000,000 to £20,000,000) and Everton do not accept then he'll just whack in a transfer request anyway.

The power is with players nowadays, not the clubs. We've seen it all too often.

At the end of the day they can't actually MAKE someone kick a football, can they.

Remember when Sony wouldn't release George Michael from his contract? He just said, OK so I won't record any more albums then. In the end they caved in.
take a bow! i dont no many people who can bring in george michael into a football debate!
 
Lomas has a lob on said:
Chippy_boy said:
At the end of the day they can't actually MAKE someone kick a football, can they.

Remember when Sony wouldn't release George Michael from his contract? He just said, OK so I won't record any more albums then. In the end they caved in.
take a bow! i dont no many people who can bring in george michael into a football debate!

I bet Elton John could. :-)
 
C_T_I_D said:
If Lescott wishes to leave then Lescott will leave and Moyes / Kenwright will be powerless to stop him. He may have a contract with Everton but at the end of the day they have a stance of not holding a player back if he is unhappy at the club (very respectful) and if we offer a considerable sum of monies (£18,000,000 to £20,000,000) and Everton do not accept then he'll just whack in a transfer request anyway.

The power is with players nowadays, not the clubs. We've seen it all too often.


Player power rules theres no doubt about it. If Lescott wants to leave he'll leave, but Moyes will play hard ball over the transfer fee. £20m sounds a good deal to me, i'd probs take it tbh but as he's gone to the US i think Moyes is doing everything he can to either keep him, or at least make it look like he wont sell him to push up the price.

Would Lescott slap in a transfer request? I'm not so sure. I think he might make it known to Moyes he wants to go (if indeed he does) but to go all out and demand a move officialy would be a very brave thing to do. Lescott has a great report with the fans, they chanted his name none stop the other day... is he the type of player to risk upsetting everyone like that? i'm not saying he wouldn't do it, but i'm not 100% sure he would either.
 
ToffeeAndy said:
i wouldn't say "a bit more" 5 times his wages are on offer. And Jo didn't not like us, we didn't like him, he was shit, scored one goal in 20 starts, and looks like a pillock. Don't make it sound like every City player is treated like jo, and i disagree that you have a real familly atmosphere, what was it when we won you at goodison "fuck off robinho" was being chanted and i seem to remember him being spat on. And i hate to say it but united have a better spirit than you, they play shit bags like fletcher who wouldnt get in to watfords side and still win games.


Hmm i'm not sure 5 times more is likely... probs double his current salary. Also an extra £40k a week to a football is probs the equivalent of a couple of grand to me. thats the point I was making and I think you probs took me a bit to literally.

I'm not saying every player at City gets treated like Jo, but if Lescott did ask him about City you can gaurantee he wouldn't be complimentary. I hadn't thought about the other players people mentioned tho so they have a valid point... I still think my point is valid though as well.

The family atmosphere I was referring to was "in camp" rather then the atmosphere at games. Everyone at our club gets on great and we have a fantastic team spirit. No-one can deny that and if they do then they are majorly wrong.

Fletcher wouldn't get in Watfords team?!!!! Yet he played in the Champions League Semi Final for Man United?!!! Oh my god!!! Funniest thing i've ever ever read without a doubt!

I think i'll take SAF's opinion of a player over yours if that ok lol!


You seem like a reasonable bloke and quite knowledgeable and fair-minded about football.

Just a couple of thoughts – and I know I am of course biased because by hatred about all things scum is only just behind my love of CITY.

But whilst I recognise the issue of ‘will the players gel’ – Hughes has sensibly got most of his dealings done early and we have the opportunity for a good pre-season for most of them to be worked into a unit – so whilst this alone will not resolve the issue – it will at least help. He has also gone for a certain ‘type’ of player – work-rate – prem experience – etc and this will also help – I particularly think the Tevez and Barry will be immense and if Lescott joins (perhaps Terry) these are not player that will need months to settle in.

Now look at scum (sorry cannot call them anything else) – I really really know the results – and they speak for themselves – but I do think that at this time they look fragile in a number of areas and they have (INO) ‘got away with it’ in a lot of games last season – often down to the efforts of Tranny and Tevez.

If you just put up their 1st 11 – and their 2nd 11 and compare them to that likely to be CITY’s at the end of August – it makes interesting analysis:

They are weak at RB – they are weak at DM – they are weak in creative MF – they have 2 quality strikers – but they are weak in back up – they have 2 quality CBs – but they are weak in back up

They have lost a lot of the ‘invincibility aura’ and I think a lot of teams will have a go where in the past they have overly-defended which has been to the benefit of the scum – I just think that they are not strong this year and:

a) Players that are real ‘quality’ are few – E.g. Rooney, Vidic
b) Players that are average but have got away with being in a overall good team will be found out – e.g. O’Shea and Fletcher
c) Players that are getting ‘beyond it’ will be exposed – e.g. Scholes, Giggs
d) Players that are unproven and perhaps not good enough will be asked to do too much, e.g. Rafael, Valencia, Nani, Evans

I just think that this year they could slip – and once the ‘invincibility aura’ is blown away the slide could last a few years – ‘cos they no longer have the financial position to just go and get the best players

Yeah – I know I am biased – but....

And just a small favour to ask of you – I do not expect you to share my hatred for the scum – but please you do not have to call Mr Ferguson – fergiescum, baconface, whisky chops or anything else derogatory – Manu manager will do – but please –just for my sensitivities – please do not use SAF – unless you mean ‘Some Arrogant Fucker’
 
U can try and convince yourself you got the best deal with Jo all you like but the simple fact is this, if we thought the deal was detrimental to our club or league position it wouldnt happen you know it and I know it

We could happily let Jo go abroad or anywhere else, if you were the only club in for him, ur not exactly getting a great player are you, so dont kid yourself that the Jo deal was anything less than on our terms and how we wanted it.
 
Lomas has a lob on said:
Chippy_boy said:
At the end of the day they can't actually MAKE someone kick a football, can they.

Remember when Sony wouldn't release George Michael from his contract? He just said, OK so I won't record any more albums then. In the end they caved in.
take a bow! i dont no many people who can bring in george michael into a football debate!

It's not a difficult connection to make. Didn't he duet with Elton John on 'Won't let Les-cott go down on me' Or something like that?
 
ToffeeAndy said:
Dubai Blue said:
He's just as likely to pick up his mobile phone and call his England teammates Gareth Barry, Wayne Bridge, Micah Richards, and SWP, and ask them what they think. I'd imagine they'll all have pretty positive things to say to him.


Not even sure who to reply to seeing as you all jumped on the same completely misconstrued point.

Anyone one here want to point me to the post where I said Lescott would ask Jo, only Jo and no-one else?

Also your all saying he wouldn't listen to Jo but would listen to the other players listed? Surely if he was going to listen to the others he;d listen to Jo as well?

And he's known Jo for 5 minutes? He played in the same team as him week in week out for 6 months, yet you think he knows these other players better? Why?

If your all gonna get on your high horses then at least use something i've said correctly.

Chances are he'd listen to them all so how am I wrong?


Give it 'em Mr Toffee
 
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