Lescott [Merged]

[Dodge]

Dont understand this "We shouldnt be giving teams around us money" statement. Does that mean if Vidic became available we shouldnt get him because the rags will get a pay day? Those around us would find the money regardless of debt if they genuinely felt we were a threat to their 4th to 1st spot in the league. The top 4 dont believe we will be up there next season regardless of what some of you think, Everton are no threat either we could give them £60m and they wouldnt spend it right. Be realistic (not arrogent in saying this...) but who could Everton sign that would worry us or the top 4? Manchester City or Everton... Ermmm? No brainer, so giving them £18m or £25m doesnt make any difference in all honesty. We have just given Arsenal £40m and there a bigger threat to us finishing 4th than the Toffee's.
We are aiming for top 4, that means Champions league football next term, so do we not buy anyone from a Champs league side because it gives them money? Just doesnt make sense to me thats all.

My thoughts exactly..

 

[Matty]

Can't believe i'm doing this, but gotta back myself up toa point. Gerrard's stats on the right, Giggs' on the left.

Seeing as Gerrard had twice as many starts as Giggs, played more than a thousand minutes more and played 3 times more, I think you'll see the stats bode well in my arguement that Giggs should be at least in the top 10. Pass completion is in Gerrards favour by ONE percent. Only 20 more key passess completed by Gerrard, even though he had more than a thousand mins more to do better than that. Not being funny either, but what did Fulham win?!!! Not sticking up for any united player, never will do, but players like giggs, despite his redness, deserve credit where its due and for him to have done what he did last season, in what was a pretty poor season for the prem league as a whole, I think he definitely deserves top 10 accolade.

26 29
Starts 14 28
Mins on pitch 1395 2456
Goals 2 15
Mins per goal 698 164
Shots on target 10 40
Shots off target 7 52
Pass completion 79.00% 80.00%
Key passes 53 73
Assists 7 7
Crosses 164 201
Dribbles 39 51
Tackles 36 51
Fouls 12 18
Yellow cards 0 5
Red cards 0 0

By far the most important of those statistics is goals, and that's the stat that Gerrard wipes the floor with Giggs on.

 

[Pigeonho]

Can't believe i'm doing this, but gotta back myself up toa point. Gerrard's stats on the right, Giggs' on the left.

Seeing as Gerrard had twice as many starts as Giggs, played more than a thousand minutes more and played 3 times more, I think you'll see the stats bode well in my arguement that Giggs should be at least in the top 10. Pass completion is in Gerrards favour by ONE percent. Only 20 more key passess completed by Gerrard, even though he had more than a thousand mins more to do better than that. Not being funny either, but what did Fulham win?!!! Not sticking up for any united player, never will do, but players like giggs, despite his redness, deserve credit where its due and for him to have done what he did last season, in what was a pretty poor season for the prem league as a whole, I think he definitely deserves top 10 accolade.

26 29
Starts 14 28
Mins on pitch 1395 2456
Goals 2 15
Mins per goal 698 164
Shots on target 10 40
Shots off target 7 52
Pass completion 79.00% 80.00%
Key passes 53 73
Assists 7 7
Crosses 164 201
Dribbles 39 51
Tackles 36 51
Fouls 12 18
Yellow cards 0 5
Red cards 0 0

By far the most important of those statistics is goals, and that's the stat that Gerrard wipes the floor with Giggs on.

I'd disagree with that. Gerrard is always, always going to get more goals than any winger in the league. To me the most important stats are the pass, crosses and pass completion stats which, bearing in mind the sheer amount of pitch time Gerrard has over Giggs, shows he did infact do more than well. For me its the age thing, showing he can still do it like 18/19 seasons in.

 

[Del_Bosque]

By far the most important of those statistics is goals, and that's the stat that Gerrard wipes the floor with Giggs on.

I'd disagree with that. Gerrard is always, always going to get more goals than any winger in the league. To me the most important stats are the pass, crosses and pass completion stats which, bearing in mind the sheer amount of pitch time Gerrard has over Giggs, shows he did infact do more than well. For me its the age thing, showing he can still do it like 18/19 seasons in.

Again you make my point, he didn't play enough to be awarded player of the season. Even when he did play his performances wern't astounding, they were great for someone who's at the end of there 19 year careeer. He didn't win elder statesman of the season, he won player of the year when there were numerous players who played more often at a higher performance level and conrtibuted more to their teams season. This award was dished out with sentiment in mind only, there were 4/5 more deserving players at United alone.

 

[Blue_Rossy]

So by 2.35PM we should be on the way to buying lesscott? ill eat my underpants and walk home starkers from work if this is true :)

 

[BringBackSwales]

Hahahaha... No.

Believe it or not , I would still love him at Everton .
Probably the best player in the league in his best years and experience that just can't be bought .
If only ( dreamy smiley )

what's this got to do with a Joleon Lescott transfer to Manchester City (or not) thread?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I totally agree with this post, NMF.

Also this obsession with "he isn't worth x amount". Who cares, it isn't our money, it doesn't go on the P&L.

He's worth what we are prepared to pay for him.

I really don't agree with the whole "Who cares it's not our money" standpoint, we should still try and get the best players, but attempt to be as frugal as possible in doing so.

Well of course, pride means we don't want to get ripped off. But it is only pride.

But we are paying over the odds for all of our players at the moment. We have to to get them to come and to make it attractive to clubs who are selling. I believe we are also offering money up front which clubs like.

What I am saying is that a player like Lescott could be the difference between Champions League and not. In which case a few million makes no odds - he would pay for himself.

Ultimately I want us to be successful. If the owners continue to pay over the odds for players who get us there, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

The wages are something we should try not to be stupid with, because that can have an impact on the rest of the squad. But sod the fee, if the owners are prepared to pay it.

 

[Dubai Blue]

On the Giggs thing, I think its a bit blue-blinkered to say he wasn't in the top 10 last year. Taking into account his age, the role he played and the fact he's still doing it 18 seasons down the line, I think he was most definitely in the top 10, if not the top 5 last year. I bet people will struggle to name 10 players better than Giggs last season.

Utter bullshit. There's no other way to describe it.

I can probably name 10 other rag players who had a better season than him, let alone 10 from the whole league.

 

[Pam]

Sorry I haven't read through the last through posts. The last I heard was this am on Talk Shite, when they said we'd offered £22 mill. Being as Talk Shite talk shite, I am assuming that this is not yet the case or is there talk of £25 mill now. Because, to be honest, if a £22 mill offer is put in and rejected, you would expect an immediate transfer requst from the player himself and if he doesn't thave the bottle to do that, maybe we need to look elsewhere. What is the current state of play, anyone?

 

[GStar]

I'd disagree with that. Gerrard is always, always going to get more goals than any winger in the league. To me the most important stats are the pass, crosses and pass completion stats which, bearing in mind the sheer amount of pitch time Gerrard has over Giggs, shows he did infact do more than well. For me its the age thing, showing he can still do it like 18/19 seasons in.

I just went through that list and Gerrard obviously beats Giggs in pretty much every department.

So i don't get why you sued that to prove your point? Giggs would come on late in a game fresh (for a 50 year old) and be able to exploit opposition tiredness. Gerrard would be singled out every game by almost every opposition team.