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somervillain said:
jimharri said:
To me, that is a different situation to slagging off our club in comparison to another club. Each to their own, but I would never badmouth our club to another club's fans.

This comparative talk of clubs has always rubbed me the wrong way. It's wrong when we mock other clubs as feeder clubs for City, and it's wrong when others act as those trophies won in our grandparents' childhood affect a club's current standing.

The problem with talk of which club is "bigger" is that it's inevitably backward-looking. There aren't any games that will be played in 1985 or 1976 or 1874, so that historical stuff amounts to no more than silly boasting.

City clearly are going to be closer in stature to the likes of, say, Chelsea, than will Everton going forward, and Lescott is looking at signing a four- or five-year deal, so he's being logical to want a move to City for more than financial reasons. The haters out there going on about players signing for City just for the pay packet are guilty of agenda-driven oversimplification of the highest degree.

It's the higher wages AND what they see as an opportunity to join a club on a dramatic upward trajectory that should be threatening for silverware in the coming years that is attracting these players. Anyone who claims otherwise is being pathetically disingenuous.

Well said thankfook for you sir and whoever is slagging city off with the eviltons via agreement needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask "am i really a city fan" there is a line you dont cross, you can tell peaple of the flaws in the club etc but to agree that we are disrespectfull etc is an absolute fookin joke and smells of ragisim. Most other city fans i know are really excited about the future and transfers etc and this can sometimes result in some childishness ie we'll buy your club and burn it down etc BUT alot is typical city humaur we are not boasting rag inbreeds who actually belive everything happing to us is a god givern right and were better than every1 etc so SORT YOUR HEAD OUT FELLAS AND CONSIDER IF YOU WERE EVER A BLUE IN THE FIRST PLACE EH.
 
dontshootme said:
alera said:
If this deal does happen Everton will come across as a feeder club with no ambition.

Moyes and Kenright will look like complete idiots that lie to their fans and the press.

In regards to transfers they wont be taken seriously again.

Speaking as an Everton fan, I don't really see what the fuss is about on both sides.

City have loads of money and can afford any player in the world (it's just a case of convincing them to come). They want Lescott. They bid for Lescott (with a little bit of unsettling the player in terms of the build up since January, but no more than any other club does, including Everton). Everton will only sell if it's for their own good. All seems normal to me.

Some Everton fans want to turn this into a huge stand off. Why? Either City bid enough money that Everton would be better off with the cash rather than the player, he'll go. There's no shame in selling a player. If we sell a player for way over the odds, and buy 3-4 really good players with the cash, and improve the team as a whole, we'll look like a selling club for about 2 days. That'll all be forgotton in the team is better than last year.

If Everton don't get offered that, they won't sell. Remember Lescott performs the function of first choice CB, second choice LB and part time goalscorer. To replace him, we'd need essentially 3 players (and pay their wages too!). It seems like at the moment Everton are putting out feelers for 3 or 4 players, to see exactly what £22m will buy

Some City fans seem to be insulted that Everton won't sell cheaply, or are demanding big money for a player. Why wouldn't they? I mean, put it this way. if Everton sold Lescott for £18m, would your reaction be "That's worrying, Everton will be more of a threat to us this season because they have the money", or would it be "Well that's a good deal, it's made City stronger and Everton weaker"? If it's the second, why would Everton sell?

Yes, City are prolonging negotiations to make the player demand a move and force Everton into a cheaper sale. Yes, Everton are trying to make City look like the bad guys to make them "put up or shut up" with a really big offer. Everybody is doing exactly what football clubs always do in these situations. So what's the big deal?



God post- spot on - too many drama queens making something out of this it is not - just business - nothing here that does not happen all the time
 
moyes didn't seem too bothered when he stuffed plymouth for just over a million for dan gosling whos goal beat the dippers in the fa cup withouth that goal probally would not have got to wembley in the first place double standards ginger whinger
 
moyes didn't seem too bothered when he stuffed plymouth for just over a million for dan gosling whos goal beat the dippers in the fa cup withouth that goal probally would not have got to wembley in the first place double standards ginger whinger
 
Who is the biggest etc doesn't really matter one jot. We are now competing with the top 4.

We have took horrendous stick from the media and some other supporters for paying to much and the big wages and that players are only coming for the money.

Say we get in the top four in place of Arsenal - does that mean any player they sign is just a mercenary because they are not in the CL.

If the top 4 become a top 5 and UEFA don't change it to allow 5 clubs in then one will be missingout each season so any player who just wants CL football will have to think hard as to which team will miss out.

Can't wait for whe this happens to see how the club out of the top 4 tries to lure platers to their club.
 
adrian durham has jus hit the nail on the head EVERTON ARE A SNOBBY CLUB HAHA love it top and bottom now matter what we will always be bigger than everton with or without money its pure jealousy on everyone elses club who slags us blues off
 
Same thats been reported today and yesterday. BBC etc are saying he has not put in a written request yet. It means shit until he has put it in writing.

As before this wont happen until he puts in a written request.
 
Balti said:
I'm not having that. Everton are not a bigger club than City. Like a few other clubs they have had more success than us in recent years, nay, decades. But that is more to do with the complete effin mismanagement that this glorious club had to endure by tinpot owners with limited ambition and a fractured board structure for way too long. i.e. post-Swales.

Look back to when City were in their pomp for a better comparison of the clubs and wait for the re-run about to begin.

I respect what Everton have achieved. They have a very proud history like ourselves. They are one of the bigger clubs in the league and have the third biggest attendance record of all time after City and someone else at Maine Rd.

But lets not pretend that they 'succeeded' despite a lack of money either. Historically they were bank-rolled by the Moores family of Littlewoods Pools fame and even now sit high in the football rich-list:

Rich List Top 20
1 Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Man City) £15billion
2 Lakshmi Mittal and family (QPR) £12.5bn
3 Roman Abramovich (Chelsea) £7bn
4 Joe Lewis (Tottenham) £2.5bn
5 Bernie and Slavica Ecclestone (QPR) £2.4bn
6 Stanley Kroenke (Arsenal) £2.245bn
7 Alisher Usmanov (Arsenal) £1.5bn
8= Lord Grantchester & the Moores Family (Everton) £1.2bn
8= Dermot Desmond (Celtic) £1.2bn
10= Lord Ashcroft (Watford) £1.1bn
10= Malcolm Glazer and family (Man Utd) £1.1bn
12 Simon Keswick (Cheltenham) £966m
13 Trevor Hemmings (Preston) £900m
14 Mike Ashley (Newcastle) £800m
15 Randy Lerner (Aston Villa) £750m
16 Tom Hicks (Liverpool) £700m
17 The Walker Family (Blackburn) £660m
18 Mohammed Al Fayed (Fulham) £650m
19 Sir David Murray (Rangers) £600m
20 Steve Morgan (Wolves) £400m

The fact that these people now appear to be as tight as a ducks arse and let Kenwright take the strain may now be Everton's problem!!

Crowds are an indicator of how 'big' a club is. And City have always been amongst the biggest. Let them take the piss about the meaningless game that we didn't want to be in in the old third division but apart from that we have consistently been one of the biggest draws in the country regardless of all the obstacles placed before us. At times the very biggest. Strange for a small club with no history. FPMSL.

Think you will find it's £550 Billion mate not £15.... ;-)
 
not my fault! said:
Balti said:
I'm not having that. Everton are not a bigger club than City. Like a few other clubs they have had more success than us in recent years, nay, decades. But that is more to do with the complete effin mismanagement that this glorious club had to endure by tinpot owners with limited ambition and a fractured board structure for way too long. i.e. post-Swales.

Look back to when City were in their pomp for a better comparison of the clubs and wait for the re-run about to begin.

I respect what Everton have achieved. They have a very proud history like ourselves. They are one of the bigger clubs in the league and have the third biggest attendance record of all time after City and someone else at Maine Rd.

But lets not pretend that they 'succeeded' despite a lack of money either. Historically they were bank-rolled by the Moores family of Littlewoods Pools fame and even now sit high in the football rich-list:

Rich List Top 20
1 Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Man City) £15billion
2 Lakshmi Mittal and family (QPR) £12.5bn
3 Roman Abramovich (Chelsea) £7bn
4 Joe Lewis (Tottenham) £2.5bn
5 Bernie and Slavica Ecclestone (QPR) £2.4bn
6 Stanley Kroenke (Arsenal) £2.245bn
7 Alisher Usmanov (Arsenal) £1.5bn
8= Lord Grantchester & the Moores Family (Everton) £1.2bn
8= Dermot Desmond (Celtic) £1.2bn
10= Lord Ashcroft (Watford) £1.1bn
10= Malcolm Glazer and family (Man Utd) £1.1bn
12 Simon Keswick (Cheltenham) £966m
13 Trevor Hemmings (Preston) £900m
14 Mike Ashley (Newcastle) £800m
15 Randy Lerner (Aston Villa) £750m
16 Tom Hicks (Liverpool) £700m
17 The Walker Family (Blackburn) £660m
18 Mohammed Al Fayed (Fulham) £650m
19 Sir David Murray (Rangers) £600m
20 Steve Morgan (Wolves) £400m

The fact that these people now appear to be as tight as a ducks arse and let Kenwright take the strain may now be Everton's problem!!

Crowds are an indicator of how 'big' a club is. And City have always been amongst the biggest. Let them take the piss about the meaningless game that we didn't want to be in in the old third division but apart from that we have consistently been one of the biggest draws in the country regardless of all the obstacles placed before us. At times the very biggest. Strange for a small club with no history. FPMSL.

Think you will find it's £550 Billion mate not £15.... ;-)
think he's going by the sheiks personal fortune not ADUGs
 
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